[lamford]

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IMPs.
West leads the TC and East wins with the ace and continues with the queen of clubs. Over to you.

[gnasher]

There are lots of possible lines. My best attempt so far is to win the king of clubs, ruff a club, and lead ♠K throwing a diamond (even if RHO covers). Then I can throw the other diamond on dummy's spade winner and crossruff.

If, for example LHO wins the spade and plays a diamond, I win, throw the other diamond, ruff a spade, ruff my last club, and cash ♥A. That reduces me to five trumps in hand, and some pointed cards in dummy. If everyone follows to the trump, I'm making at least ten tricks. If RHO has four trumps, I ruff a card in hand and exit in trumps. If LHO has four trumps, I ruff back to hand in the suit where I think LHO still has a card, then exit with a trump to endplay him.

The reason for discarding if RHO covers ♠K is to stop him getting in with ♦K at the wrong moment, for example if LHO is 4=4=3=2.

There are some ramifications to consider:
- LHO ruffing ♣K.
- LHO winning ♠A and playing a trump

I'm still trying to work out which of these is a problem.

[MrAce]

Andy's line seems pretty good to me.

I would probaby play small on ♣ Q, ruff in dummy, then

♠K, if covered, i ruff and play a ♥ towards A9 and send it if followed small. Suppose RHO took and played something (he can not play club due to hook)

If not covered discard a ♦



EDIT: last paraghraph was deleted/edited due to nonsense

[gszes]

IF I have 2h and 1c losers I need the dia finesse to work.If I have
1c and 1h then all I need to do is ruff a couple of clubs and
dia finesse is for an overtrick.

trick 2 duck club and try to ruff low in dummy if that works cash
trick 3 heart A and see if trumps are 40 (ick) assuming trumps are NOT 40
trick 4 ruff a spade
trick 5 low club intending to ruff at this point the most I can lose is 1h 1c 1d
so even lho ruffs club high and returns a dia rise and pull last trump give up a dia

if trumps are 40 (what you thought this would be easy?) and LHO has the 4 trumps
since we need lho to hold the dia K rho must have the spade A
trick 4 spade K intending ruffing finesse assuming covered ruff
trick 5 dia finesse
trick 6 spade Q pitch club
trick 7 ruff a spade
trick 8 dia finesse lets assume the dia K appeared
trick 9 ruff a spade
this leaves our hands as
6
9
QJ
void

void
KT
x
K
trick 10 club K uppercuts lho and we have to score 2 more hearts

If rho has 4 hearts really ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
trick 4 spade k for same reasons as before
trick 5 dia finesse
trick 6 spade Q (intending to pitch a dia*)
trick 7 dia A
trick 8 lead a spade (intending to overruff if rho splits honors
trick 9 club K
trick 10 ruff club
trick 11 lead a spade and our spade T must score a 10th trick

this lop pretty much needs rho to have 2425 distribution but it can be done.

*If rho is 1435 and splits honors ruffing the spade Q overruff then
trick 7 dia finesse
trick 8 dia ace
trick 9 club to hand
trick 10 ruff a club
trick 11 spade and heart T must score a trick

IM tired i need a sub

[cnszsun]

MrAce, on 2013-May-29, 10:38, said:

Andy's line seems pretty good to me.

I would probaby play small on ♣ Q, ruff in dummy, then

♠K, if covered, i ruff and play a ♥ towards A9 and send it if followed small. Suppose RHO took and played something (he can not play club due to hook)

If not covered discard a ♦

I will play the same. If lho wins spade ace, I can play diamond king on my right hand and ruff finesse it.

[lamford]

I think Andy's line is right; and it succeeds. I was (wrongly) worried about the king of clubs being ruffed, and ruffed the second club in dummy, but when hearts were 4-0 offside, I could no longer make. I know that Simon Cope, for the winners, did the same, and only 3 declarers made 4H out of 27 attempts. West had AJxx QJxx xxx Tx. I think I transposed two club cards in the diagram, but it made no difference to the play.

[MrAce]

lamford, on 2013-May-29, 18:51, said:

I think Andy's line is right; and it succeeds. I was (wrongly) worried about the king of clubs being ruffed, and ruffed the second club in dummy, but when hearts were 4-0 offside, I could no longer make. I know that Simon Cope, for the winners, did the same, and only 3 declarers made 4H out of 27 attempts. West had AJxx QJxx xxx Tx. I think I transposed two club cards in the diagram, but it made no difference to the play.

You going down has nothing to do with which club you play in 2nd trick. You went down because you probably cashed ♥ A after ruffing 2nd ♣

[ewj]

If the CK gets ruffed, surely you are going to be ok? You might lose a trump trick but you can cross ruff a bit and just lose a diamond.

If you win the CK, the right line is quite probably a heart to the 8? You have the 9x of clubs so they cant play a club without giving you a trick. If you hook into a stiff honour and they play a spade back, say...you can throw a diamond, win the diamond return, throw a diamond on spade and do some cross ruffing (after trying to throw a club on a spade..

[lamford]

MrAce, on 2013-May-29, 23:00, said:

You going down has nothing to do with which club you play in 2nd trick. You went down because you probably cashed ♥ A after ruffing 2nd ♣

After ruffing a club, ruffing a spade and ruffing a club, nobody can make the hand. I needed to either take a diamond finesse, or take an immediate finesse of the 9H at that stage. And leading a heart to the nine would fail when I lost to a stiff honour.

Once I have played the king of clubs at trick two, I need to play a heart to the nine at some stage.

[FrancesHinden]

lamford, on 2013-May-29, 18:51, said:

I think Andy's line is right; and it succeeds. I was (wrongly) worried about the king of clubs being ruffed, and ruffed the second club in dummy, but when hearts were 4-0 offside, I could no longer make. I know that Simon Cope, for the winners, did the same, and only 3 declarers made 4H out of 27 attempts. West had AJxx QJxx xxx Tx. I think I transposed two club cards in the diagram, but it made no difference to the play.

Some declarers were playing the hand on an uncontested auction and the club break was unexpected. I know someone went off when they cashed the HA early and then tried to play a trump endplay, but failed when West could ruff in. Knowing that clubs are long on your right affects the line.

[MrAce]

lamford, on 2013-May-30, 12:09, said:

After ruffing a club, ruffing a spade and ruffing a club, nobody can make the hand. I needed to either take a diamond finesse, or take an immediate finesse of the 9H at that stage. And leading a heart to the nine would fail when I lost to a stiff honour.

Once I have played the king of clubs at trick two, I need to play a heart to the nine at some stage.

As i said in my line, after playing ♠ K and ruffing if covered, you can make by playing a ♥ to A9, if not covered you discard a ♦ on ♠ K. You do not need the rush to ruff 2nd ♣ yet.

FrancesHinden, on 2013-May-30, 15:30, said:

Some declarers were playing the hand on an uncontested auction and the club break was unexpected. I know someone went off when they cashed the HA early and then tried to play a trump endplay, but failed when West could ruff in. Knowing that clubs are long on your right affects the line.

If the given club spots in the diagram are correct, unless people are frequently leading T from Txx(x) without the 9, or leading T from JTx(x) (rusinow?) declarers could have figured out the ♣ lay out. (Assuming that ♣ T was led at other tables, if not disregard what i wrote pls)

[wangzhi123]

i think LHO has four H！i can finesse h9 to west！it is hard to make！

[FrancesHinden]

MrAce, on 2013-May-31, 01:19, said:

As i said in my line, after playing ♠ K and ruffing if covered, you can make by playing a ♥ to A9, if not covered you discard a ♦ on ♠ K. You do not need the rush to ruff 2nd ♣ yet.



If the given club spots in the diagram are correct, unless people are frequently leading T from Txx(x) without the 9, or leading T from JTx(x) (rusinow?) declarers could have figured out the ♣ lay out. (Assuming that ♣ T was led at other tables, if not disregard what i wrote pls)

The club spots in the diagram are wrong. (Not very relevant for the problem as presented by Lamford with the overcall)