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Posted 2013-May-31, 01:54

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Posted 2013-May-31, 02:05

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Posted 2013-May-31, 04:17

I would pass. If spades are 4432 around the table I have decent defense, and if we go -530 it's not like it's a zillion imps compared to all the small and medium gains I expect, when 3♥X goes down.
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Posted 2013-May-31, 04:23

In adjective bridge I would bid 3N for the minors, since that will often lead to a 9-card fit. But with limited methods, passing is probably percentage.
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Posted 2013-June-02, 00:23

View Postibraves, on 2013-May-27, 03:02, said:





Unless I can magic 9 top tricks from somewhere 3NT doesnt look like it's going to make which IMO leaves 4m and pass. Do you agree? Which would you choose?

IMPS, opposition seem good


4♣ = 10
4♦ = 7
3NT = 1
/ = 0

Passing this hand is ridiculous. You need 5 top tricks. You have only 1 and you need 4 from your partner. With a little distribution from either opponent, 3♥x is rock solid unless partner holds all aces, which is seldom possible.

3NT is also bad unless your partner has 8 top tricks and stoppers in every other suits. Otherwise, if there are any tiny holes in your partner's hand, once they knock out the ♥ stopper, 4 or 5 sure tricks are coming.

Therefore, I bid a minor.
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Posted 2013-June-07, 10:56

When opps are expected to bid again, 4♦ (the higher suit) is better because partner can make an extra takeout double after which we can bid our lowest suit and let partner choose. However, on this hand we don't expect opps to bid again, so there's no reason to skip ♣s. I'll bid 4♣ since passing is no real alternative imo.
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Posted 2013-June-07, 16:37

View Postmfa1010, on 2013-May-31, 04:17, said:

I would pass. If spades are 4432 around the table I have decent defense, and if we go -530 it's not like it's a zillion imps compared to all the small and medium gains I expect, when 3♥X goes down.


No, but it probably means you lost this match and are now eliminated from the knockouts. :(
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Posted 2013-June-07, 20:20

View Postibraves, on 2013-May-27, 03:02, said:



IMPS, opposition seem good

Unless I can magic 9 top tricks from somewhere 3NT doesnt look like it's going to make which IMO leaves 4m and pass. Do you agree? Which would you choose?
IMO 3N (intending to SOS redouble) = 10, 4♣ = 9, Pass = 8.
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Posted 2013-June-09, 17:14

View Postnige1, on 2013-June-07, 20:20, said:

IMO 3N (intending to SOS redouble) = 10, 4♣ = 9, Pass = 8.


is there any fence you'd refuse to sit on?
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Posted 2013-June-09, 17:23

View Postnige1, on 2013-June-07, 20:20, said:

IMO 3N (intending to SOS redouble) = 10, 4♣ = 9, Pass = 8.

View Postwank, on 2013-June-09, 17:14, said:

is there any fence you'd refuse to sit on?
I'm out on a limb rather than sat on a fence :)
My choice of 3N appears to be unique, so far :(
But my marking reflects my feeling that the choice is close and anything might work :)
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Posted 2013-June-09, 18:11

How about if the 3NT bid you like so much actually showed what you hold? At equal NV, maybe you shouldn't have to hope for a double so you can redouble, and it should already be a scramble to the right minor.

I can imagine letting 3HX play there with a hand which would want to try 3NT for real.

Then, you could have 3N=10, P=9, 4C=0
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Posted 2013-June-10, 19:08

View Postaguahombre, on 2013-June-09, 18:11, said:

How about if the 3NT bid you like so much actually showed what you hold? At equal NV, maybe you shouldn't have to hope for a double so you can redouble, and it should already be a scramble to the right minor. I can imagine letting 3HX play there with a hand which would want to try 3NT for real. Then, you could have 3N=10, P=9, 4C=0
I prefer 3N only marginally to pass or 4♣. I don't mind playing 3N undoubled. On a good day, it might make or be a good sacrifice against 3♥X=; and It might cost less than 4♣ or 4♦, especially if you guess the wrong minor. Even if I liked 4♣ less, I wouldn't give it zero because I give at least 5 marks to bids that I consider might well work.
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Posted 2013-June-10, 20:08

No, Nige --I meant bidding 3NT as a scramble to the correct minor by agreement rather than in hopes that someone will double so you can redouble.

If that were your agreement, then 4C would be a zero.
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Posted 2013-June-11, 18:29

View Postaguahombre, on 2013-June-10, 20:08, said:

No, Nige --I meant bidding 3NT as a scramble to the correct minor by agreement rather than in hopes that someone will double so you can redouble. If that were your agreement, then 4C would be a zero.
A drawback of that approach is that you sometimes want to bid 3N, naturally.
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Posted 2013-June-11, 18:59

View Postnige1, on 2013-June-11, 18:29, said:

A drawback of that approach is that you sometimes want to bid 3N, naturally.

and, at equal NV, we defend 3HX.
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