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3 sequences after DBL

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Posted 2013-May-23, 09:38

(1D)-DBL-(P)-1S
(2D)-2NT

(1D)-DBL-(P)-1S
(2D)-DBL-(P)-2S
(P)-2NT

(1D)-DBL-(P)-1S
(2D)-DBL-(P)-2S
(P)-3S

What hands are shown by DBLer in the above 3 sequences?
Should the 2nd have ♠-support?
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Posted 2013-May-23, 09:45

1) appr 20-21 points, diamond stop, probably only two spades and three hearts

2) appr 22-23 points, diamond stop, probably four hearts and two spades

3) appr 20-21 points, three spades, at most one diamond stop
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Posted 2013-May-23, 10:04

Questions triggered by this hand:

How do you bid this after:
(1D)-DBL-(P)-1S
(2D)-??
edit: partner bid 1S, not opp
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Posted 2013-May-23, 11:28

View Postkgr, on 2013-May-23, 09:38, said:

  • (1D)-DBL-(P)-1S; (2D)-2NT
  • (1D)-DBL-(P)-1S; (2D)-DBL-(P)-2S; (P)-2NT
  • (1D)-DBL-(P)-1S; (2D)-DBL-(P)-2S; (P)-3S
What hands are shown by DBLer in the above 3 sequences?
Should the 2nd have ♠-support?
IMO
  • Natural, 18+ HCP, flat, ♦ stop, unlikely to hold 4♥.
  • Natural, 18+ HCP, flat, ♦ stop, may have 4♥
  • Natural, 18+ HCP, 3 ♠.

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Posted 2013-May-23, 11:44

View Postkgr, on 2013-May-23, 10:04, said:

Questions triggered by this hand:

How do you bid this after:
(1D)-DBL-(1S)-P
(2D)-??


I would pass.

I think a second double starts at about a 3424 good 18. Although we have 19, this hand is junky. If partner can't bid again, that's fine. The real problem is that when we double and partner bids 2♠, he might still only have four of them, but have nothing else to bid, and he has to make a stronger move with a decent five count or so. One could play 2♥ as a double negative with 4-3 in the majors, but it is a dodgy area.

If we double again and partner bids 2♠, any further move shows a rock-crusher. 3♠ for me just about does not exist, since partner has not promised five and we never have four.

Edit: slightly confused by the change of 1♠ bidders, but I feel little love for this hand either way.
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Posted 2013-May-23, 17:21

View Postkgr, on 2013-May-23, 10:04, said:

Questions triggered by this hand:

How do you bid this after:
(1D)-DBL-(1S)-P
(2D)-??

Who bid 1S? opponent?
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Posted 2013-May-24, 03:47

  • balanced 20-22hcp without 4crd spades
  • balanced 18-20hcp with only 2 spades
  • 3crd spade support, 17-19 (with 20+ you should bid 3D)

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Posted 2013-May-24, 04:02

View Postkgr, on 2013-May-23, 10:04, said:

Questions triggered by this hand:

How do you bid this after:
(1D)-DBL-(1S)-P
(2D)-??


Your hand fits your 3rd sequence.
But now you give another sequence in which I double again with this hand.

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Posted 2013-May-24, 05:26

View Postcnszsun, on 2013-May-23, 17:21, said:

Who bid 1S? opponent?

edited: partner
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Posted 2013-May-24, 05:31

View Postkgr, on 2013-May-23, 10:04, said:

How do you bid this after:
(1D)-DBL-(P)-1S
(2D)-??

If you keep everything the same as when Opener has not rebid 2♦, except that 2NT (instead of 1NT) shows 19-21; 3♣ (instead of 2♣) is the GOSH with clubs; and X replaces the cue bid then you will not go too far wrong.
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Posted 2013-May-24, 16:20

X then 2N just shows a more flexible hand). They don't show different strengths. For instance, with Ax KQxx Ax AKJxx I would double again before bidding 2N. With xx Kxx AQT AKQJx I would just bid 2N.
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Posted 2013-May-24, 16:29

View PostPhilKing, on 2013-May-23, 11:44, said:

I would pass.

I think a second double starts at about a 3424 good 18. Although we have 19, this hand is junky. If partner can't bid again, that's fine. The real problem is that when we double and partner bids 2♠, he might still only have four of them, but have nothing else to bid, and he has to make a stronger move with a decent five count or so. One could play 2♥ as a double negative with 4-3 in the majors, but it is a dodgy area.

If we double again and partner bids 2♠, any further move shows a rock-crusher. 3♠ for me just about does not exist, since partner has not promised five and we never have four.

Edit: slightly confused by the change of 1♠ bidders, but I feel little love for this hand either way.


IMO Xing again with only a good 18+ is too sound. I would double again with like 16.

Still, after doubling again obviously pass with 18 and KJ doubleton of diamonds.
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Posted 2013-May-24, 16:30

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Posted 2013-May-27, 08:58


N, W and E are GIB.
NS reached a good contract. Bad bidding and Lucky or Good bidding?
Hand given by a team mate.
I thought that DBL..DBL..2NT would have been better then DBL..DBL..3S; maybe showing some S-support and a single stop in D. Or would that show a much better hand?
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Posted 2013-May-27, 09:05

View PostJLOGIC, on 2013-May-24, 16:20, said:

X then 2N just shows a more flexible hand). They don't show different strengths. For instance, with Ax KQxx Ax AKJxx I would double again before bidding 2N. With xx Kxx AQT AKQJx I would just bid 2N.

Is Ax=KQxx=Ax=AKJxx the minimum for DBL..DBL..2NT?
Or would Kx=KJxx=Axx=AQJx also be sufficient?
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Posted 2013-May-27, 09:20

View Postkgr, on 2013-May-27, 08:58, said:

NS reached a good contract. Bad bidding and Lucky or Good bidding?

I can picture getting to 5C after that second double, and probably wouldn't get the 2S rebid by partner with a full six-count and only 4 spades.

But, the answer is "lucky"...lucky we didn't get blown out of the water right away by a 1NT opening from East.
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