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Do you open the bidding with this? You are dealer at Imps, Vul vs. not

Poll: Is this an opening bid? (32 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your first call as dealer?

  1. Pass in a heartbeat! Are you joking about bidding? (4 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  2. 1D. Better to get in and out early, than to risk bidding at a higher level later. (27 votes [84.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 84.38%

  3. 2D. Unlikely choice, but it does add another option to the poll. (1 votes [3.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.12%

  4. 3D. Stiff kings may not provide much defense. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   silvr bull 

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Posted 2013-May-17, 08:12

You are playing with a good partner at Imps on BBO, and you pick up the hand below as dealer, Vulnerable against non vul opponents:

♠K
♥K
♦K987653
♣K875
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Posted 2013-May-17, 08:28

1♦, but not for the reason you gave. This is an opening hand, period, full stop, exclamation point.
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Posted 2013-May-17, 08:42

If Pass didn't have all that verbage behind it, I would vote.

1D is a choice to consider. But, I do have strong feelings against the preempts. Those stiff kings are very important. They don't help partner choose an appropriate advance, and they are points which the opponents don't have.
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Posted 2013-May-17, 08:42

Clear 1♦ for me. I have an easy rebid, and I don't downgrade stiff honors much unless opponents bid the suit.
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Posted 2013-May-17, 08:51

I open 1♦.
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Posted 2013-May-17, 09:11

View PostArtK78, on 2013-May-17, 08:51, said:

I open 1♦.

Same here...I don't like my stiff K's but I am 7411 and can just rebid 2♦.
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Posted 2013-May-17, 09:11

Who in their right mind would open 3D on this?! That suit is not a pre-empt vul vs not, and the hand is too strong.

1D is clear-cut. The 7-4 shape easily makes up for the singleton kings.

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Posted 2013-May-17, 09:12

1♦ is clear to me.
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Posted 2013-May-17, 09:13

1♦

Pard will let me off the hook when I bid them a couple more times and our losses will usually be petty cash. If we find a fit and the hand belongs to the opponents we have several ways to maneuver a nice profit. My dream start would be 1♦ - p - 1nt or 2nt invitational from pard.
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Posted 2013-May-17, 09:26

I open 1D but then I carry a package of apologies in my pocket at all times.
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Posted 2013-May-19, 20:41

IMO 1♦ = 10, 3♦ = 6, Pass = 1.
Don't like pre-empting with 12 points, p will pass with a lot of balanced 13 counts where we have game.
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Posted 2013-May-20, 21:25

Thought it was going to be a unanimous poll, and was, as usual, disappointed.
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Posted 2013-May-20, 21:51

View Postsilvr bull, on 2013-May-17, 08:12, said:

You are playing with a good partner at Imps on BBO, and you pick up the hand below as dealer, Vulnerable against non vul opponents: ♠ K ♥ K ♦ K 9 8 7 6 5 3 ♣ K 8 7 5
IMO 1♦ = 10, 3♦ = 8, 2♦ = 7, Pass = 5.
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Posted 2013-May-21, 01:33

Passing is kinda sexy just so you can say you passed a 7-4 12 count lol. I mean...it's not really worth an opening bid if you don't normally open light.

But obv I'd open.
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Posted 2013-May-21, 01:55

View Postneilkaz, on 2013-May-17, 09:11, said:

Same here...I don't like my stiff K's but I am 7411 and can just rebid 2♦.


I agree with this.
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Posted 2013-May-21, 05:05

View Postnige1, on 2013-May-20, 21:51, said:

IMO 1♦ = 10, 3♦ = 8, 2♦ = 7, Pass = 5.

About right.

This hand is by no means clear-cut.
Opening 1♦ is neither fish nor fowl. If you have a diamond fit you are unlikely to keep opponents out; if you do not have a diamond fit you might easily get too high.
I consider the kings worth about 9 HCP. Opening 1♦ is very borderline but nevertheless probably the best bid.
3♦ is aggressive, but more likely to win than to loose. On average I expect this hand likely to take 7 tricks with little help from partner.
2♦ is conservative
Pass is super conservative, not my cup of tea. I do not understand the arguments why I would want to pass when I have a weak two in diamonds available.

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Posted 2013-May-21, 05:16

2D with all this random defense on the side seems like it might cause partner to misjudge a lot but I agree with you, 2D > P, it's not like passing will help us later on.
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Posted 2013-May-21, 07:23

Here is the continuation:

We are vul vs, they not. IMPs. The opponents are silent.

♠K
♥K
♦K987653
♣K875

1♦ - 1♠
2♦ - 3♥ (We had not discussed the meaning of this jump)
???

Does opener now bid 3NT, 4♣, 4♦, or something else?
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Posted 2013-May-21, 07:50

Partner shows 5-5 and depending on the system game forcing or invitational. I guess GF is used more often, but....
Passing 3 ♥ will always be wrong, so I try 3 NT. Maybe I buy 8 running tricks with the help of my kings and a ninth from the club stopper....
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Posted 2013-May-21, 08:06

I would guess that the chances of making 3NT on this auction is extremely small. You might have a chance if partner has Ax of diamonds.

More likely, he may be able to scramble home with 9 tricks in spades. I will take my "preference" to spades.

By the way, I assume that 3♥ is invitational. I would bid 3♣ (extended PLOB) with a forcing hand on this auction. If 3♥ is forcing, then 3NT has a better chance of making, and you may be endplayed into bidding it.
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