[blover]

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Frist seat, IMP, None Vul
My choice is between pass and 1S, what will you do?

[joker_gib]

Not for me !

Some kind of weak two (2♠ or 2♦ multi, yes I know I have 4♥ but ...) or PASS but definitely not 1♠, that's too weak !

[flytoox]

pass for me. Zar pointer may open it:)

[Free]

If you want to bid, open 1♠. 2♠ or more is silly.

I'll pass.

[joker_gib]

Free, on Jan 5 2005, 09:20 AM, said:

If you want to bid, open 1♠. 2♠ or more is silly.

I'll pass.

Opening 2♠ depends on many things (state of the match, vul, 3rd seat, ...) and is certainly not silly !

[Free]

joker_gib, on Jan 5 2005, 03:24 PM, said:

Free, on Jan 5 2005, 09:20 AM, said:

If you want to bid, open 1♠.  2♠ or more is silly.

I'll pass.

Opening 2♠ depends on many things (state of the match, vul, 3rd seat, ...) and is certainly not silly !

Maybe you should read the first post before answering: "FIRST SEAT, imp, NON VULNERABLE"...

[inquiry]

flytoox, on Jan 5 2005, 09:28 AM, said:

pass for me. Zar pointer may open it:)

Right you are.

So, my bidding would be....

Matchpoints all vuls - open 1♠
Imps not vul - open 1♠
Imps vul versus not vul - open 2♠

[joker_gib]

Free, on Jan 5 2005, 09:27 AM, said:

Maybe you should read the first post before answering: "FIRST SEAT, imp, NON VULNERABLE"...

Ok, Ok you are right on that point but I was thinking more generally.

I can tell you that a lot of good players (mainly coming from East european countries (don't know for the US) because, we, french or belgian, are too conservative) will open that even in 1st seat !

[mike777]

Playing 2/1 with light first seat openers, PASS.

Honeymoon Moscito=1NT

[ArcLight]

This looks like a pass to me. I dont see much offence. Ruffs?
Perhaps someone can explain the hand evaluation.
Why open 1♠? To preempt the opponents?
Then why not 2♠ instead, though you do have a 4 card ♥ suit.

[whereagles]

I open 2S. This will give opps, who rate to have the minors, very serious difficulties, without comprimising our chances at a game.

What does NOT come to mind is opening 1S because the hand will underperform seriously in a misfit.

[joker_gib]

whereagles, on Jan 5 2005, 09:57 AM, said:

I open 2S. This will give opps, who rate to have the minors, very serious difficulties, without comprimising our chances at a game.

What does NOT come to mind is opening 1S because the hand will underperform seriously in a misfit.

Totally agree !

Sometimes you preempt your partner, sometimes preempts just push opps in games or slams they would not have bid but that's bridge and that's life !

What is sure is that if you never preempt you will never put them in difficulties.

[pclayton]

Pass; its a stretch even using ZARs; 25; although the 10♠ and the J♦ are 'bonuses'. I'd probably open playing a strong club though.

2♠? Explain to pard how 7♥ was missed opposite: Ax, AQxx, Axx, Axxx.

[inquiry]

pclayton, on Jan 5 2005, 01:56 PM, said:

Pass; its a stretch even using ZARs; 25; although the 10♠ and the J♦ are 'bonuses'. I'd probably open playing a strong club though.

2♠? Explain to pard how 7♥ was missed opposite: Ax, AQxx, Axx, Axxx.

Sorry partner, you should bid more yourself...? How is that?

Not real likely, but seeing all the hands can affect auction choice. How about...

2S - 2NT
3H - 4C
4D - 4H
4S - 5D
5H - 5N
6H - 7H
Pass

3H = feature, here must be king, 4C = cue
4D = cue, must be stiff or void
4S = nothing else to cue
5D = cue,
5H = must be JACK or doubleton king, with KQ would re-cue instead of 4H
5NT = pick a slam
6H = I have hearts and spades
7H = great.

But seriously, i don't worry about a side four card major when I preempt. If I choose to bid 2S (as here), I am willing to give up on the other major. I have gotten back into the other major upon occassion, never at grand, but who knows, odd things have happened.

BTW, ZAR recommends open when you have 4+spades and 25 ZAR points. This monster has its full 25 with concentrated honors, 26 if you count the diamond jack, which I do not.

[luis]

Pass, I have the majors, I will be able to compete later.
I love opening light but this hands doesn't seem to be ok.

[EricK]

I am happy to open this 2♠. If partner really hates a side 4 card major for pre-empts then I am also happy to pass. I am less happy opening 1♠ - for some reason, that sort of bid just never seems to work out right for me.

Eric

[pclayton]

inquiry, on Jan 5 2005, 10:22 AM, said:

pclayton, on Jan 5 2005, 01:56 PM, said:

Pass; its a stretch even using ZARs; 25; although the 10♠ and the J♦ are 'bonuses'. I'd probably open playing a strong club though.

2♠? Explain to pard how 7♥ was missed opposite: Ax, AQxx, Axx, Axxx.

Sorry partner, you should bid more yourself...? How is that?

Not real likely, but seeing all the hands can affect auction choice. How about...

2S - 2NT
3H - 4C
4D - 4H
4S - 5D
5H - 5N
6H - 7H
Pass

3H = feature, here must be king, 4C = cue
4D = cue, must be stiff or void
4S = nothing else to cue
5D = cue,
5H = must be JACK or doubleton king, with KQ would re-cue instead of 4H
5NT = pick a slam
6H = I have hearts and spades
7H = great.

But seriously, i don't worry about a side four card major when I preempt. If I choose to bid 2S (as here), I am willing to give up on the other major. I have gotten back into the other major upon occassion, never at grand, but who knows, odd things have happened.

BTW, ZAR recommends open when you have 4+spades and 25 ZAR points. This monster has its full 25 with concentrated honors, 26 if you count the diamond jack, which I do not.

A bit concocted Ben (I'm sure you realize that). No where did Opener convey posession of the K♠.

I will concede that a ZAR opener here makes getting 7 a lot simpler. My bidding (if opened):

1♠ - 2N
3♣ - 3♦
3♥ - 4♣
4♥ - 4♠
5♣ - 5♠
5N - 6♦
7♥

1. 2N = 13+ balanced
2. 3♣ = Any minimum; 3♦ asks, 3♥ = 4 hearts.
3. 4♣ = Cue agreeing ♥
4. 4♠ = Kickback
5. 6♦ = Last Train.

Passing certainly makes it tougher:

Pass - 1♣
1♠ - 2N
3♦ - 3♥
3♠ - 4♣
...... etc; likely arriving at same conclusion.

1. 3♦ = Checkback

[inquiry]

pclayton, on Jan 5 2005, 03:16 PM, said:

A bit concocted Ben (I'm sure you realize that). No where did Opener convey posession of the K♠.

Only a bit? Lol.. well, I surely agree it is double dummy, see all the cards, and know what to bid bidding. But the spade king (or ace) will be there for my weak two bid when vul, or I will not bother to show a side feature... I do have some minimal standards after all. I use to play weak two vul promised KJ9xxx or better. I have relaxed that, but only slightly.

Ben

[pbleighton]

1S.

Peter

[HeartA]

Pass.