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o/c on weak 2S an easy 7C....

Poll: What do you bid on RHO 2S? (32 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid on RHO 2S?

  1. DBL (17 votes [53.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.12%

  2. 3C (4 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  3. 3S (6 votes [18.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  4. 5C (5 votes [15.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.62%

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#1 User is offline   1Valeria 

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Posted 2004-December-29, 10:45

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What do you think of DBL and C or, if you have room, of DBL , cue and C?
What about 3S? - You are playing Leaping Michaels -
Would be 3C a risky bid?

Thanks for answering and ... a very Happy New Year!

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Posted 2004-December-29, 15:13

At the table I will bid 3NT.
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Posted 2004-December-29, 15:19

Yes, 3NT might work, probably also my choice at the table...
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Posted 2004-December-29, 15:24

At the risk of offending (or confusing pard) I'll start with 3; ostensibly asking for a stop (if pard has a stop, we'll all have a good laugh). Pard will probably bid 4, and I'll try 5, which should show a huge hand.
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Posted 2005-January-10, 22:58

Before I bid, I cross off leaping michaels on my card, then I jump to 4c ;) Ok, if I can't do that, then I'd start with double and correct partner's 3h to 5c...if that doesn't show a mammoth hand, I don't know what does. I'm bidding 5c next after whatever partner does.
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Posted 2005-January-11, 04:52

(Already posted this in the italian section of the Forum)

With a 2.5 loser hand, if I play Leaping Michaels, I bid 3S then 5 clubs over the likely 4D/4H response by p; this will show my huge hand, even stronger than double+ new suit.

a. Bidding directly any number of clubs would be an underbid

b. 3NT will probably make but 6C needs almost nothing from pard.
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Posted 2005-January-11, 05:06

3NT
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Posted 2005-January-11, 07:08

1Valeria, on Dec 30 2004, 05:45 AM, said:

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What do you think of DBL and C or, if you have room, of DBL , cue and C?
What about 3S? - You are playing Leaping Michaels -
Would be 3C a risky bid?

Thanks for answering and ... a very Happy New Year!

Valeria

As I don't play "leaping Michaels" I will just double and bid the appropriate no of 's at my next turn
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Posted 2005-January-11, 07:18

3
foole me once, shame one you!!
foole me twice, shame on me....!!
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Posted 2005-January-11, 08:16

5C for me. 6C is not a bad shot.
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Posted 2005-January-11, 08:28

I agree with firechief, damn leaping michaels :rolleyes:.

At the 2 level 2 would be easy, since void makes it impossible that it will be passed out, but now it is a different story, if nobody has 7 probably the suit won't be introduced at all, so 3 is not a good option, double of course is ridicoulous, and 3NT may easylly fail on lead when 6 is cold, nothing is good, nothing is perfect, but IMPs make me bid the safest contract (wich on a goo day will be raised) 5.
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Posted 2005-January-11, 08:46

Fluffy, on Jan 11 2005, 02:28 PM, said:

nothing is good, nothing is perfect, but IMPs make me bid the safest contract (wich on a goo day will be raised) 5.

Certainly nothing is perfect, but playing Leaping Michaels, cuebid then suit shows a huge distributional hand, unsuited for double (such as this one is, IMO).
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Posted 2005-January-11, 08:47

This may be stupid, but for some reason I don't like bidding 3NT with this hand. I think I'd take a shot at 5C, although 6 comes to mind. Gimme slightly better clubs and I would do it... lol.
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Posted 2005-January-11, 08:55

i don't like 3nt either, because partner would bid 4h over 3nt most of time.

i choose double following 4c/5c bid, depend on partner's strength. (using lebensohl)

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Posted 2005-January-11, 08:58

Leaping Michaels solves more problems than it creates IMO. Unless you are playing some form of ELC, 2 suiters are unbiddable over preempts.

Even if you want to have a 4 call available for this hand, its too strong. And its not forcing either.

Change my vote to 5.
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Posted 2005-January-11, 11:33

1Valeria, on Dec 29 2004, 04:45 PM, said:

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What do you think of DBL and C or, if you have room, of DBL , cue and C?
What about 3S? - You are playing Leaping Michaels -
Would be 3C a risky bid?

Thanks for answering and ... a very Happy New Year!

Valeria

it's an easy double because you can convert 4H to 5C.
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Posted 2005-January-11, 17:40

I'd bid 5C. As I can't find out if 3NT is a good contract, I will focus on descibing my strength with clubs as trump. I think that 5C is right on overall strength. Partner will hopefully know that the club king, club length with spade shortness, and outside controls are big. All true except for the heart king.

I think that 3S followed by 5C misdescibes the hand. Partner will probably expect solid clubs (unless he/she has the king) and spade shortness. If you have discussed that this just shows a better hand than 5C directly then I agree.

The only call worse than Dbl is 3C imo.

3NT doesn't seem right with a void, though it could be the winner.

Finally, I like leaping Michaels.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-January-11, 17:56

Nasty problem...

My initial gut reaction was to jump to 3NT (Probably good that I play with The Hog and Free). After some consideration, I'm less happy about 3N. I have a Heart void and RHO has at most 3. I think that it is too likely that partner has a 6 card heart suit and is would convert to 4H.

I'm worried about unilaterally insisting on a 5. Here once again, I'm worried about the impact that RHO's preempt will have on the distribution. Clubs could play VERY badly if we get a bad break. I don't like jumping to 5. Equally significant, I'll be badly positioned after X since partner is very likely to bid 4H.

I think that I'm forced to chose one of 2 calls.

The first is 4. My playing strength is a bit too strong, however, I'm worried about my trumps and I have a lot of HCP opposite RHO's suit.

The second is pass, planing to convert for penalties.

Of these, 4 seems the most attractive.
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Posted 2005-January-12, 19:53

At imp scoring there isn't that much difference between 5C +400 and 3NT +430 or +460; there is a big difference though betwen +920 and +460. This hand, in my opinion, is simply too good to bid 3NT, although it rates to make. Double with this many spades is probably O.K. as partner is not likely to leave it in when I have the spades; but I don't think this gets the message across.

We don't preempt over a preempt; any jump bid shows a very good hand. Therefore, I am a 5C bidder; this bid is to make; It is not a sign off bid; partner can still raise to 6 clubs with x, Axxxx, Qxxx, Kxx or the like.
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  Posted 2005-January-12, 22:41

Firstly cue-bid,then bid C.
3NT looks some rash!
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