[Zelandakh]

JLOGIC, on 2013-May-20, 21:42, said:

Do people expect partner to typically bid or pass with 5332? With most people I play with (ie not JOE GRUE) I would expect a pass with 5332 a large majority of the time, certainly with a trump trick.

I think this is an interesting point and highlights a difference that has come in handling a 4♠ preempt within my lifetime. As a junior, textbooks here said that double was optional, often a big balanced hand, and 4NT was a pure takeout of spades. Nowadays, it seems that practically everyone plays double as a pure takeout and 4NT as 2 places. This makes a difference on actions in fourth seat, for what hands you think partner can still hold. Despite the apparent switchover, you still see the older way of handling this spot in expert bidding polls, at least in Europe.

[rogerclee]

BTW I did not mean to imply that 4SX usually makes or anything, by far the most likely result seems to be down 1 when it goes all pass, which is actually pretty solid equity for doubling, since all those win 2's add up.

[cherdano]

gnasher, on 2013-May-21, 02:11, said:

The more hearts partner has, the more likely it is that we have a game-bonus to protect. Does that mean that holding four hearts should make him more inclined to act on a marginal hand, or does it make no difference?

I don't see why converting +100 to +300 or +150 to +500 is any less attractive when the other table is scoring +130 rather than +420.
I don't think it's any different for the other outcomes you hope for when doubling.

[gszes]

X
seems to be the way to go here. P will not normally pull w/o
good reason to think they will make. Once in a while we will
get slaughtered in diamonds or a moderate loss if they make
but for the most part we are due a series of moderate gains vs
passers.

5C seems like a sensible alternative IF you need a swing. The
downside is huge if its wrong. A interesting problem arises after
5c pass if p now bids 5d is it considered natural or a cue bid for slam?


Preempts work

[lesh]

The thing is I forgot what was the right action on this particular board so I cant tell you the final result I am sorry about that.

But lets consider 2 scenarios.

1) We guess correctly and DBL. There were some posts suggesting that pd will pass with 5332 shape but lets say he holds ♠xx ♥KQx ♦AQJxx ♣xxx. I am not sure about the rest but I will get very exited with this hand and I am not sure at which level I will make my bid

So what minimum values will you bid if you were in partner's shoes?

2) Lets say we bided 5♣ this time and we found partner with ♠xx ♥KQx ♦AJxxx ♣Qxx. I think I will raise with that hand - so again with what kind of hand will you raise 5♣ if they come to you?