[pclayton]

Scoring: MP

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East.....South.....West.....North
1♦.......Pass.....2♥.......2♠
3♥.......4♥......Dbl.......Rdbl
Pass.....4♠.....Pass.....5♦
Pass.......?

1. 2♥ is preemptive
2. Rdbl promises 1st round control of ♥'s

Your call?

Side note: what would you say the difference is between 4♦ and 4♥ - at round 2?

[luke warm]

man... i'd wimp out and bid 5s i guess... your pard has a ♥ void else rkc i'd guess... but the diamonds scare me... as to what 4♦ would be, i have no idea

[mike777]

5s esp at MP. My thinking is p did not start with an X and this is an underpoint slam and suits may not break well. Hopefully going plus at 5S will be winning bridge if not TOP.

[cf_John0]

mike777, on Jan 4 2005, 08:32 PM, said:

5s esp at MP. My thinking is p did not start with an X and this is an underpoint slam and suits may not break well. Hopefully going plus at 5S will be winning bridge if not TOP.

5♠

[Fluffy]

You cue the suit you control, so 4♥ show ♥ contrrol

redouble shows first round contrrol

4♠ shows minimum

5♦ shows no ♣ control

There is no way I am gonna deny a control to an unlimited hadn after a negative, 6♠.

[whereagles]

Clearly, pard has no club control. The problem is if he has

AJTxx
Axx
Axx
xx

or

AJTxx
Axx
AKx
xx

(or eventually a spade more and a diamond less) Since with the 1st hand he might have not made a slam try, I should play him for the 2nd. But in that case, what does opener have?? Did he open 1D on

x
Qxx
Jxxxx
AQJx

Unless opener is a maverick, I don't believe it. Someone is overbidding and my guess is pard is the one. I sign-off 5S.

[joker_gib]

Fluffy, on Jan 5 2005, 03:42 AM, said:

You cue the suit you control, so 4♥ show ♥ contrrol

redouble shows first round contrrol

4♠ shows minimum

5♦ shows no ♣ control

There is no way I am gonna deny a control to an unlimited hadn after a negative, 6♠.

I'm with you, Fluffy !

After I showed minimum with 4♠, my partner insist towards slam only lacking ♣ control !

I have it so I bid it : 6♠

[Free]

6♠, otherwise 5♦ is a crazy bid...

[cnszsun]

Can we bid 5H to show ♣ control, but not sure of slam?

[pclayton]

At the table I tried 6♠.

It seemed I could put pard on either: Axxxxx, Ax, Axx, xx or more hopefully: Axxxxx, Axx, Ax, xx. 6♠ is ok on the first hand and fantastic on the 2nd.

Unfortunately, he held: Axxxx, A, Axxxx, Qx. I don't care for 5♦ much, diamonds are going to be overruffed in dummy, and thats if I have the hoped-for shortness.

We discussed the 4♦ / 4♥ cue. With this pard; 4♥ is the heavier bid; it probably shows an offshape max that couldn't compete over 1♦. 4♦ shows the hand I had.

With my other pard, we decided that the cue shows the control in the red suit with no reference to strength.

[mike777]

Great Post Phil.

Perhaps I am getting conservative in my old age but in my short time back at bridge it seems at the table p has the poor hand types after opp open the bidding.

In the magazine bridge quizzes p has the better hand types after opp open the bidding.

[flytoox]

Presumably 2H is WJS. Pd is concerned with club control and I have Ck, which looks like behind the CA after RHO's opening.

I would bid 6S.

[whereagles]

pclayton said:

It seemed I could put pard on either: Axxxxx, Ax, Axx, xx or more hopefully: Axxxxx, Axx, Ax, xx. 6♠ is ok on the first hand and fantastic on the 2nd.

Am I seeing this right?

KQxx.....Axxxxx
x...........Ax
QTx.......Axx
KTxxx....xx

is hopeless unless clubs are 3-3. And

KQxx.....Axxxxx
x...........Axx
QTx.......Ax
KTxxx....xx

requires trumps 2-2, no? Far from fantastic, I think.

pclayton said:

Unfortunately, he held: Axxxx, A, Axxxx, Qx. I don't care for 5♦ much, diamonds are going to be overruffed in dummy, and thats if I have the hoped-for shortness.

This confirmed my impression pard was overbidding

[pclayton]

whereagles, on Jan 5 2005, 12:11 PM, said:

pclayton said:

It seemed I could put pard on either: Axxxxx, Ax, Axx, xx or more hopefully: Axxxxx, Axx, Ax, xx. 6♠ is ok on the first hand and fantastic on the 2nd.

Am I seeing this right?

KQxx.....Axxxxx
x...........Ax
QTx.......Axx
KTxxx....xx

is hopeless unless clubs are 3-3. And

KQxx.....Axxxxx
x...........Axx
QTx.......Ax
KTxxx....xx

requires trumps 2-2, no? Far from fantastic, I think.

pclayton said:

Unfortunately, he held: Axxxx, A, Axxxx, Qx. I don't care for 5♦ much, diamonds are going to be overruffed in dummy, and thats if I have the hoped-for shortness.

This confirmed my impression pard was overbidding

Your right on the 1st; require clubs 3-3. On the 2nd; we have 10 trump; so it only requires 4-2 clubs and 2-1 spades and the A♣ onside. Virtually cold on this auction, I'd say.

[Double !]

I am curious to know what a 5 heart bid would mean overall at this point. I would interpret it as indicating a heart control, and it should imply a club control. Otherwise, why ask P for something that he/she already implied not having (assuming 5D denied a club control). Do I have more, the same, or less than I showed by bidding 4H? Does P's 5D bid improve or worsen my hand. My diamond cards don't appear to be much given the diamond bid on my right, but a heart control might be the information P needs to bid or not bid 6. I hope the rewind of 4HX shows 1st round control. Key cards alone apparently aren't partner's concern- had another bid for that. lol I never get these situations right.

[whereagles]

pclayton, on Jan 6 2005, 03:53 AM, said:

On the 2nd; we have 10 trump; so it only requires 4-2 clubs and 2-1 spades and the A♣ onside. Virtually cold on this auction, I'd say.

lol.. I must be getting old. Of course it's cold. (well.. almost.)