[jillybean]

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V= R vs. W

Please read and stick to the system!

1nt = 10-12

systems over opps 1nt - love it or hate it, this is what you have.
X transfer to clubs or both majors
2C, 2D, 2H transfers
2S minors

Do you agree with the acceptance of the transfer to diamonds or would you bid 2S?
If you accepted the transfer do you pass for the remainder of the auction?

[mycroft]

1) Arguable either way, but no. 2♠ for me, unless partner will take that as strength rather than rejection of diamonds. If partner could have only 5 diamonds, more so than if she guarantees 6.

2) Yes. I'll probably double spades if I get to, though.
If partner wanted to be in game opposite this dreck, she'd have bid 4♣ over 3♣, or 3♥ over 2♦ (unless that would be a self-splinter).

Even playing a penalty double (which I strongly prefer, as a weak NTer myself), you still have these issues of "strong two-suiters" you can't really double on. Assuming that *we're* red?

[PhilKing]

Agree bidding so far.

Pass now. Game could be reasonable, but often no play or rather poor. Pard has not promised much, so I won't bury him.

[aguahombre]

PhilKing, on 2013-April-17, 17:28, said:

Agree bidding so far.

Pass now. Game could be reasonable, but often no play or rather poor. Pard has not promised much, so I won't bury him.

This. Pard was willing for me to pass 2H, so he shouldn't have a hand which only needs QXX of hearts to produce game. I won't play him to have misbid.

[JLOGIC]

If this is enough tell partner to just jump to 3H over 2D

[Cyberyeti]

What does partner need for game to be good ?

♥KJ109x
♦ AKxxxx

can he have that much ?

You know your methods and how aggressive you are over a mini NT.

I would have bid as you did up to now, but I'd certainly think about 4♥ where the doubleton diamond along with ♥Qxx is what makes this hand potentially good, a singleton is much worse.

[Flem72]

There must be inferences available depending upon which suit of a two-suiter is first transferred-to?

[aguahombre]

Flem72, on 2013-April-18, 06:10, said:

There must be inferences available depending upon which suit of a two-suiter is first transferred-to?

Yes. The diamonds are longer, but the inference from partner only bidding 2H after the transfer is the relevant inference.

[gszes]

partner needed to show some disgression with 2h because
of the possibility of playing in a misfit. Noone has tried NT for
the opps generally indicating p probably has as least AKxxx in
hearts. We have a fit an entry and possibly even a ruffing value.
P was able to compete to 3h (after not getting x in 2h they became
bolder:)) with as little as x AKxxx AQxxxx x we might only need the
dia finesse and this is hardly an outlandish hand for p to hold.

4h

also remember p knows it is a ton harder to make game in a minor
so they will use even more disgression when competing until they
know they have a major fit

[jillybean]

Partners hand was Q9,KT97,AKQ32,A7 (we never did discover our spade fit)

I was tossing up between pass and bid and eventually raised to 4H thinking partner could hold a huge hand.
This is the part I missed.

JLOGIC, on 2013-April-17, 23:32, said:

If this is enough tell partner to just jump to 3H over 2D

[PhilKing]

jillybean, on 2013-April-19, 08:23, said:

Partners hand was Q9,KT97,AKQ32,A7 (we never did discover our spade fit)

I was tossing up between pass and bid and eventually raised to 4H thinking partner could hold a huge hand.
This is the part I missed.

Obviously not have a penalty double of a mini available is pretty whacky, but that was not the problem.

Pard has the world's most obvious double of 3♣.

[kenberg]

Certainly doubling 3♣ sounds right, but whatever s/he chooses it cannot be 3♥. Consider:
Doubling 3♣ will show a hand that has 5-4 in the reds and too much to sell to 3♣ undoubled. That looks like this hand. Bidding 3♥ announces that s/he will not sell to 3♣ undoubled and moreover s/he absolutely insists that the hand be played in one of the red suits, and moreover at the 4 level if your fit is in diamonds. Why would s/he want to do this?

Your pass of 2♥ does not mean all that much. It certainly doesn't show four hearts. It could well be something like "Hearts are tolerable and no one has doubled yet, I pass". Again, that's what you have.

[Phil]

jillybean, on 2013-April-19, 08:23, said:

Partners hand was Q9,KT97,AKQ32,A7 (we never did discover our spade fit)

So often I read a JB thread and wonder why its there.

And then I see the opposite hand...

[aguahombre]

Phil, on 2013-April-19, 09:52, said:

So often I read a JB thread and wonder why its there.

And then I see the opposite hand...

The question of what to do now is good. It involves judgement based on the auction to date. When the opposite hand bears no resemblance to the bid(s) that person made, it is kind of like when Linus promised to hold the football for Lucy to kick and then pulled it away.

[mike777]

The question of what to do now is good. It involves judgement based on the auction to date. When the opposite hand bears no resemblance to the bid(s) that person made, it is kind of like when Linus promised to hold the football for Lucy to kick and then pulled it away

the true facts of who pulled the football based on video evidence:







http://peanuts.wikia...ki/Football_Gag

[aguahombre]

mike777, on 2013-April-19, 23:50, said:

The question of what to do now is good. It involves judgement based on the auction to date. When the opposite hand bears no resemblance to the bid(s) that person made, it is kind of like when Linus promised to hold the football for Lucy to kick and then pulled it away

the true facts of who pulled the football based on video evidence:







http://peanuts.wikia...ki/Football_Gag

You are so right. Chalk it up to an old guy's faulty memory. Lucy did it to Charlie Brown.