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Posted 2013-March-31, 06:55
Is 3♠ a forcing bid?
If not what is?
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If not what is?
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Posted 2013-March-31, 07:55
It's IMO forcing if you play weak jump shifts (which I presume you do as this would be 1♦-2♠ if you didn't).
Our auction would be so different it wouldn't be much help:
1♦-2♠(one suited rock crusher or GF fit bid)
3♣(natural but guaranteeing at least xx or Q in spades)-3♠(one suited type)
4♦(cue)-4N(KC)
5♥(2 without Q)-5N(anything else)
6♦(K♦ no K♣)-6♥(I have K or Q ♥, do you have the other ?)
7♠(yes)-7N (7+3+2+1)
Our auction would be so different it wouldn't be much help:
1♦-2♠(one suited rock crusher or GF fit bid)
3♣(natural but guaranteeing at least xx or Q in spades)-3♠(one suited type)
4♦(cue)-4N(KC)
5♥(2 without Q)-5N(anything else)
6♦(K♦ no K♣)-6♥(I have K or Q ♥, do you have the other ?)
7♠(yes)-7N (7+3+2+1)
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Posted 2013-March-31, 08:07
Yes it's forcing because 3C is GF.
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Posted 2013-March-31, 08:15
Wasn't 3C a GF jump-shift ?
You have a 17 hcp count ( with a 7 card near solid ♠ suit ) opposite a supposed 18,19 :
1D - 1S
3C - 6S
You have a 17 hcp count ( with a 7 card near solid ♠ suit ) opposite a supposed 18,19 :
1D - 1S
3C - 6S
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Posted 2013-March-31, 09:37
TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-March-31, 08:15, said:
Wasn't 3C a GF jump-shift ?
You have a 17 hcp count ( with a 7 card near solid ♠ suit ) opposite a supposed 18,19 :
1D - 1S
3C - 6S
You have a 17 hcp count ( with a 7 card near solid ♠ suit ) opposite a supposed 18,19 :
1D - 1S
3C - 6S
I assume you meant there to be a bit more bidding between 3C and 6S, and that is where you would end up. That blast seems to answer "no" to the question in the OP, while I believe you agree the answer is "yes".
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Posted 2013-March-31, 17:54
dickiegera, on 2013-March-31, 06:55, said:
Is 3♠ a forcing bid?
Yes
3♣ is GF
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Posted 2013-April-01, 11:48
Cyberyeti, on 2013-March-31, 07:55, said:
It's IMO forcing if you play weak jump shifts (which I presume you do as this would be 1♦-2♠ if you didn't).
Our auction would be so different it wouldn't be much help:
1♦-2♠(one suited rock crusher or GF fit bid)
3♣(natural but guaranteeing at least xx or Q in spades)-3♠(one suited type)
4♦(cue)-4N(KC)
5♥(2 without Q)-5N(anything else)
6♦(K♦ no K♣)-6♥(I have K or Q ♥, do you have the other ?)
7♠(yes)-7N (7+3+2+1)
Our auction would be so different it wouldn't be much help:
1♦-2♠(one suited rock crusher or GF fit bid)
3♣(natural but guaranteeing at least xx or Q in spades)-3♠(one suited type)
4♦(cue)-4N(KC)
5♥(2 without Q)-5N(anything else)
6♦(K♦ no K♣)-6♥(I have K or Q ♥, do you have the other ?)
7♠(yes)-7N (7+3+2+1)
I would have:
..... - 5NT = K-ask ( specific replies )
6D ( ♦K, no ♣K , as you specified )
..... - 6H = 2nd K-ask
6NT = ♥ K ( NT shows feature in asking suit )
..... - 7NT Responder is the only one who really knows of his 7 cards ♠ suit
.......... 7s, 3h, 2d, 1c
Don Stenmark
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"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
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Posted 2013-April-01, 12:08
Ofcourse it's forcing. 3♣ is Game Forcing and 3♠ is below game.
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Posted 2013-April-01, 15:11
dickiegera, on 2013-March-31, 06:55, said:
Is 3♠ a forcing bid?
Yes, Wyman said why.
dickiegera, on 2013-March-31, 06:55, said:
If not what is?
3♠ is forcing but 3♦ or 3♥ or 4♣ would be forcing as well, for the same reasons what Wyman said. You will not stop shy of game as Free wrote, simple as is.
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Posted 2013-April-02, 02:11
This one is obviously forcing, but 1D -1S - 3D - 3S should also be played as forcing, even though 3D was NF.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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