[camilleln]

East opens 1C and the partnership plays inverted minors on after a passed hand. What is your suggested bidding sequence? No opponent bid and E opens in third seat....


Dealer: W
IMPs
Both Vul

East
S KQ5
H AJT3
D 6
C AJT52

West
S J
H 5
D QJT52
C KQ9754

[Cyberyeti]

1♣-2♦ (must be fit by a passed hand or you'd open 2♦ in first seat if you play WJS)

would be a good start, you will now get to 3N or 5♣ in comfort.

I would not pass the west hand.

If west was not a passed hand, by our methods (I'm not good enough for the fit bid by an unpassed hand):

1♣-2♣(10+ with 4 clubs/9+ with 5+)
2♦(non minimum asking)-2N (minimum, at least 4 diamonds)
3N

We play a weak no trump so don't have to deal with the weak no trump in our inverted sequences.

[camilleln]

Cyberyeti said:

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1♣-2♦ (must be fit by a passed hand or you'd open 2♦ in first seat if you play WJS)

would be a good start, you will now get to 3N or 5♣ in comfort.

I would not pass the west hand.

If west was not a passed hand, by our methods (I'm not good enough for the fit bid by an unpassed hand):

1♣-2♣(10+ with 4 clubs/9+ with 5+)
2♦(non minimum asking)-2N (minimum, at least 4 diamonds)
3N

We play a weak no trump so don't have to deal with the weak no trump in our inverted sequences.

[camilleln]

Hi and thank you for your response. Can you tell me what you use for your im responses by opener? We play weak nt (12-14) too. Is the 2D bid asking? If opener shows a maximum by bidding a major, is that asking or telling?

[Cyberyeti]

camilleln, on 2013-March-30, 07:56, said:

Hi and thank you for your response. Can you tell me what you use for your im responses by opener? We play weak nt (12-14) too. Is the 2D bid asking? If opener shows a maximum by bidding a major, is that asking or telling?

What we play is in the context of a weak no trump 4+ card club which makes it much easier. (1C-3N is 16-19 balanced with 4 clubs and no 4 card major, we fit jump with an unpassed hand with HHxxx in our suit and Hxxx in partner's and enough to force to game where H=A,K,Q, direct splinters are specifically voids)

We play 1C-2C as 10+ with 4 or 9+ with 5 clubs and may contain a 4 card major.

Over this 2D is an artificial ask that says "I'm not rock bottom minimum".
2H/S shows 4 of the suit bid and a minimum technically NF but almost never passed
2N shows 4 diamonds and a minimum NF
3C shows 6 clubs, no 4 card major and a minimum NF
3D/H/S are GF natural
3N is 15-19 3334/(332)5/(32)44 basically strong NT with no 4 card major

Over 1C-2C-2D

2M is natural and F1
2N shows 4 diamonds F1 not totally minimum unbalanced
3C shows a rock bottom minimum with no 4 card major
3D/H/S are GF splinters usually with ambitions beyond game
3N is 13-15 bal no 4 card major

[gszes]

something a little more natural

p 1c

1d 1h

3c 3n

you can also use inverted minors

p 1c

2c 2h

3d 3n



both should work nicely since opener would not rebid 2h
unless there was game interest opposite a passed hand
(they would merely bid 3c at which point responder can
bid 3d to make one more game try which will show their
radical distribution).

[ggwhiz]

gszes, on 2013-April-11, 12:32, said:

something a little more natural

p 1c

1d 1h

3c 3n

you can also use inverted minors

p 1c

2c 2h

3d 3n



both should work nicely since opener would not rebid 2h
unless there was game interest opposite a passed hand
(they would merely bid 3c at which point responder can
bid 3d to make one more game try which will show their
radical distribution).

I agree, especially with the first option. Your cards are soft values towards an 11 trick game and preempting your own ability to reach 3nt is a bit of a crime. The opponents silence as to the major suits should be of comfort here along the way and a 1♦ response gives them a chance to steer you in the right direction.