Michaels Partner uses Michaels promising the exact same shape as you
#1
Posted 2013-February-19, 22:01
Auction:
W 1♣
N 2♣ (Michaels 5/5 in majors per agreement)
E Pass
S ??
Your hand:
♠Q 10 8 6 3
♥A J 10 7 5
♦K J
♣10
You know you have a massive double fit, but then again so does the opponents in the minors. How do you discover your best safe contract? 2NT asking partner to bid their best suit? Or is there a better bid? Could 3♣ be construed as a "HELLO I AM 5/5 TOO!"?
Sorry if this is wrong forum? Not sure whether Michaels is considered Natural or not
#2
Posted 2013-February-19, 22:25
#3
Posted 2013-February-20, 03:08
#4
Posted 2013-February-20, 03:11
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#5
Posted 2013-February-20, 03:18
#6
Posted 2013-February-20, 06:31
NickB50014, on 2013-February-20, 03:18, said:
That's not luck: that's exactly the reason that you should bid 4♠ rather than 4♥.
#7
Posted 2013-March-06, 04:50
I've always wondered if a certain suit plays better in such situations. The impression I also have is that it's better to play in ♠ because we have ♥A, so yeah, I'd also bid 4♠. However, is it really that much better?
Suppose partner doesn't hold ♠A:
- when playing 4♥ there's a real chance opps will lead ♠ to the Ace, ♠ ruff. This requires an Ax-x split, or an A-xx split with a way to reach partner.
- when playing 4♠ there's a chance that opps will lead ♥s. When we play our first round of trumps, the Ace must be taken and then a ♥ ruff can occur. For this to work we have similar requirements like in our first case, except that a defender with 2 singletons will no longer be able to ruff due to us playing one round of trumps.
So yeah, it seems that 4♠ will play better than 4♥.
#8
Posted 2013-March-06, 06:01
Not sure if that's what you want to do, as it might suggest that they save, but that would be the meaning I would expect.
#9
Posted 2013-March-06, 07:39
mr1303, on 2013-March-06, 06:01, said:
Not sure if that's what you want to do, as it might suggest that they save, but that would be the meaning I would expect.
4C is pick-a-major [ I have (3/3)+..but does not promise ♣-shortness ] .
That said, I think the 4S bid for this hand is better for the reasons others have suggested.
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#10
Posted 2013-March-10, 05:41
#11
Posted 2013-March-10, 06:08
Free, on 2013-March-06, 04:50, said:
- when playing 4♥ there's a real chance opps will lead ♠ to the Ace, ♠ ruff. This requires an Ax-x split, or an A-xx split with a way to reach partner.
- when playing 4♠ there's a chance that opps will lead ♥s. When we play our first round of trumps, the Ace must be taken and then a ♥ ruff can occur. For this to work we have similar requirements like in our first case, except that a defender with 2 singletons will no longer be able to ruff due to us playing one round of trumps.
Also if spades are 2-1 the singleton spade will be opposite the ace of spades 2/3 of the time whereas if hearts are 2-1 the singleton heart will be opposite the ace of spades less than half the time.
#14
Posted 2013-March-11, 04:19
mr1303, on 2013-March-11, 04:12, said:
Ill advised. We don't want to give the opponents any extra room when we know we want to get up there with 4S anyway.

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