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Desperate 3NT ridicoulous bidding, concentrate on play

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Posted 2004-December-21, 19:52

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S - W - N -E
1NT-2*-2NT-3
3NT-ps -ps -ps


2 was capp, showing +minor

2NT was lebenshol, but not sure of it you bid 3NT?.

LEad is to the K
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Posted 2004-December-21, 22:53

ill win and lead the DJ, hoping for stiff ten. and leftys minor to be diamonds
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Posted 2004-December-22, 04:22

Jlall, on Dec 22 2004, 05:53 AM, said:

ill win and lead the DJ, hoping for stiff ten. and leftys minor to be diamonds

Same here
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Posted 2004-December-22, 07:20

I think stiff 10 of diamond can wait for now, i prefer to run 5 clubs and see west strugle.
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Posted 2004-December-22, 11:55

Flame, on Dec 22 2004, 08:20 AM, said:

I think stiff 10 of diamond can wait for now, i prefer to run 5 clubs and see west strugle.

Great! Then where is the entry to dummy for good diamonds (West will cover your DJ)?
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Posted 2004-December-22, 12:03

HeartA, on Dec 22 2004, 12:55 PM, said:

Flame, on Dec 22 2004, 08:20 AM, said:

I think stiff 10 of diamond can wait for now, i prefer to run 5 clubs and see west strugle.

Great! Then where is the entry to dummy for good diamonds (West will cover your DJ)?

If we'll get to this then when west cover i will hold up my A, then later play diamond to the 9.
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Posted 2004-December-22, 12:04

Last night I had another desperate 3NT:

Scoring: IMP

As a substitute for a team match, I didn't know anything about my pd (labeled himself as "expert", from later bid and play, he was not very good). I opened 1, the bidding went:
South West North East
1 1 2 Pass
2 Pass 3 Pass
3N Pass Pass X
All pass

West led x (the good news was West had Qx), still couldn't see 9th trick.

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Posted 2004-December-22, 12:23

HeartA, on Dec 22 2004, 01:04 PM, said:

Last night I had another desperate 3NT:

Scoring: IMP

As a substitute for a team match, I didn't know anything about my pd (labeled himself as "expert", from later bid and play, he was not very good).  I opened 1, the bidding went:
South West North East
1   1   2   Pass
2  Pass  3   Pass
3N  Pass Pass  X
All pass

West led x (the good news was West had Qx), still couldn't see 9th trick.

There could be a chance if west has he K of spade, his last 7 cards will be KJ of spade and 5 hearts (or 4 hearts and a diamond)
On the last club he will have to discard, if he discard a spade the spades are good, if he discard a heart a heart will endplay him to give you the Q of spade.
You will go down if east will still have one high heart and one small heart because he will win the high, take the A of diamond and play heart. You can still make it if east has only a high heart since after wining the heartת the A of diamond will sqeeze is partner again.
btw if west has also the A of diamonds it would be easier but the bidding gives east something too.
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Posted 2004-December-22, 12:34

West virtually had nothing for the dbl.

I took A at trick #1, and ran clubs. On the last , West discarded a , leaving SK unprotected. I cashed A and finessed to get an overtrick.
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Posted 2004-December-22, 12:45

HeartA, on Dec 22 2004, 01:34 PM, said:

West virtually had nothing for the dbl.

I took A at trick #1, and ran clubs. On the last , West discarded a , leaving SK unprotected. I cashed A and finessed to get an overtrick.

Nice, when west discard 3 spades after overcalling 1H , you know he probebly doesnt have 5 spades and therfore play the A of spade.
if he was likely to have another spade then playing heart would be right.
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Posted 2004-December-22, 13:21

An alternative to the single 10 of diamonds on the right is to play RHO for honor 10 in diamonds. You would then plan on leading low toward your hand from dummy. If RHO plays the ten, you play the jack and crash the honor on the ace on the second round of diamonds. If RHO plays the honor, you play low, and then run the jack (smothering the 10) when in with the heart ace.

So, get to dummy with the club queen and play a low diamond.

(Of course, all the time you are presuming they cannot run a bunch of spades.)
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Posted 2004-December-23, 07:02

Well bing if you are trtying that line you are assuming East has 4+, since he has to have a long minor, also since you NEED 2 entries to dummy for that to work, ,you would be ok if you started with club to the NINE.

Still this line has even worse chances than stiff 10 from the bidding.

There is a nother good line nobody suggested (ok it is my line :), the line I though about since I was dummy), wich is just double finese, you have to hold up K, pray for no switch (otherwise you need 3-2) and ruun your winners endidn with A, if all went right West will only have spades left with AK and Q will have to cash 9th trick.

Between AK onside and stiff 10 I am not sure wich has better chances, maybe close, just that AK has a disadvantage, it will go 2 off when the hand is as it was:



After ducking a you will find yourself entryless to perfrom the finese AND cash the (unless you perfrom some double dummy gambit play).

On trump lead 3 would be a bit painy :D.
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Posted 2004-December-23, 19:32

Playing for AK of spade onside is playing the overcall was was very light if its based on diamond, and when u play 1 club round you know it wasnt on diamonds so what are we playing the overcall to have 0-2 hcp ?
The ebst play is to run the clubs and hope for good, and good will come maybe more then you expect it, defence is the hardest part of the game and your opponents will make mistakes.
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