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I may have given duff advice - just checking

Poll: I may have given duff advice - just checking (52 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you act? (IMP)

  1. Pass, WTP (49 votes [94.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 94.23%

  2. Pass, close call (2 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  3. 2S, WTP (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 2S, close call (1 votes [1.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.92%

  5. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Could change of vul, position, scoring affect your answer to first question?

  1. Yes (9 votes [17.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.31%

  2. No (43 votes [82.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 82.69%

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#1 User is offline   1eyedjack 

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Posted 2013-February-19, 00:36

2H = weak, IMP

Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

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2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"

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Posted 2013-February-19, 05:16

Not sure about the second question. I think opposite a passed partner when w/r at IMPs I would bid. Among other good things that could happen it could induce p to make a profitable stripe-tail-ape-double :) Still I am not sure if it would be a good idea.
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Posted 2013-February-19, 05:28

pass, wtp and yes it would. I haven't made up my mind when I'd bid but for sure I would at NV, MP with a passed partner.
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Posted 2013-February-19, 05:41

Pass at any conditions
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Posted 2013-February-19, 07:45

The only condition which would change my vote is location. If i were in England, I'd say "No bid" rather than "pass."
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Posted 2013-February-19, 08:18

This is just not an over call, hard to believe any votes for.
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Posted 2013-February-19, 08:23

2S is only reasonnable in the balancing seat with a partner who understand how balancing work.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2013-February-19, 08:34

2♠ certainly seems reasonable to me under different conditions - as Dealer for example.
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Posted 2013-February-19, 09:18

Pass. Overcalling over a preempt shows an opening hand. Partner is not going to expect you to hold a weak 2 of your own (and it's not even a good weak 2).

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Posted 2013-February-19, 09:41

Only if I thought RHO opened 1♥
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Posted 2013-February-19, 10:26

Thanks. Phew, I am still mainstream.

Supplementary question, now:

For the specified shape, what additional high card strength would you rate to be the minimum at which 2S overcall becomes borderline acceptable under the stated conditions?

Thanks.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
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Posted 2013-February-19, 10:46

View Post1eyedjack, on 2013-February-19, 10:26, said:

Thanks. Phew, I am still mainstream.

Supplementary question, now:

For the specified shape, what additional high card strength would you rate to be the minimum at which 2S overcall becomes borderline acceptable under the stated conditions?

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A hand which would expect 2S to make opposite the normal expectation from partner -- 6-8 HCP and semi balanced distribution. That way, partner can advance or pass with some clue.

Edit: A second criterion might be if you will know what to do other than cry if CHO bids a natural invitational 2NT.

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2013-February-19, 10:52

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Posted 2013-February-19, 10:54

If you change Di jack to the king , i wouldn't yell at p for bidding . Change it to the ace and I would bid myself
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Posted 2013-February-19, 11:01

Another king for me, please, and I wouldn't object to the ♠T/J.
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Posted 2013-February-19, 11:09

View Post1eyedjack, on 2013-February-19, 10:26, said:

Thanks. Phew, I am still mainstream.

Supplementary question, now:

For the specified shape, what additional high card strength would you rate to be the minimum at which 2S overcall becomes borderline acceptable under the stated conditions?

Thanks.

I would want 11 good HCP with this shape. I would pass some very bad 12 counts, but bid all 13 counts with this shape.
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Posted 2013-February-19, 13:07

View Post1eyedjack, on 2013-February-19, 10:26, said:

Thanks. Phew, I am still mainstream.

Supplementary question, now:

For the specified shape, what additional high card strength would you rate to be the minimum at which 2S overcall becomes borderline acceptable under the stated conditions?

Thanks.

Add a king and it is borderline unacceptable, beef up the spot cards in ♠ as well and it is borderline acceptable.
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Posted 2013-February-23, 09:30

View Postguido, on 2013-February-19, 07:45, said:

The only condition which would change my vote is location. If i were in England, I'd say "No bid" rather than "pass."

Would you? I always say nothing and pull out a green card that has "Pass" on it. :P
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Posted 2013-February-24, 20:18

I wonder why British Pass cards aren't blank -- isn't that a better way to represent "no bid"?

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Posted 2013-February-25, 00:12

Obvious pass. I would bid 2S with the DA.
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