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♠ KJ32
♥ AK6
♦ 72
♣ AK42

IMP game, unfavorable vulnerability.
Your RHO opened a third seat 1♦, you called double of course, LHO leaped to
3♦, which is described "preemptive", parnter passed. RHO bid 4♦ after
giving the matter a serious thought.

You were thinking about if 3♦ passed to you, you would double again,
or wouldn't you? And what is your call now?

[pclayton]

18 prime? You must be joking.

Unless pard will compete with a balanced 6 count at the 3 level, doubling is the only option here.

[flytoox]

Dbl. I would never pass with this hand.

[HeartA]

double again, of course.

[inquiry]

No one will stand up for the pass? Well, I will. I don't have good distribution. I asked partner to bid and he couldn't even make a responsive double over 3♦ or bid a basically competitive 3♥ or 3♠. As much as it paiins me, I think I will bow out gracefully here, and accept 3♦ probably down one.

The hcp and controls are all fine, the lack of action from partner and the yucky distribution are a horse of another color.

Ben

[whereagles]

I'm not sure what I would do... It feels like RHO is baiting me into an indiscretion.

[luke warm]

i can imagine rho walking the dog here, i can't imagine lho doing the same.. this boils down to the same old question, do i trust partner or op more? over 3d he could do nothing, not even double... why? i have 2 diamonds, making it impossible for him to have a trump stack...

pard has a 3424 3/4 count.. while they might make 3d, i don't think so... i double and lead a trump

[inquiry]

luke warm, on Dec 10 2004, 05:49 PM, said:

i can imagine rho walking the dog here, i can't imagine lho doing the same.. this boils down to the same old question, do i trust partner or op more? over 3d he could do nothing, not even double... why? i have 2 diamonds, making it impossible for him to have a trump stack...

pard has a 3424 3/4 count.. while they might make 3d, i don't think so... i double and lead a trump

This is imps jimmy. You really so sure of a two trick set that you feel doubling and lead a trump is right? What is the odds your partner will pass the double for you to lead anything?

1) I don't think your partner will pass so it will not be your lead
2) I think a two trick set is asking a bit much, and to double at imps looking for a one trick set here is to rich for me (but my double would be for takeout, so if partner passes it we will crush them).

Ben

[whereagles]

Just to get things straight. The auction was not 1D-X-2D, it was

1♦ dbl 3♦ pass
4♦ ..??

[luke warm]

inquiry, on Dec 11 2004, 12:01 AM, said:

This is imps jimmy. You really so sure of a two trick set that you feel doubling and lead a trump is right? What is the odds your partner will pass the double for you to lead anything?

1) I don't think your partner will pass so it will not be your lead
2) I think a two trick set is asking a bit much, and to double at imps looking for a one trick set here is to rich for me (but my double would be for takeout, so if partner passes it we will crush them).

Ben

no, i'm not *that* sure of a 2 trick set, but if i had to bet that's the way i'd bet.. if partner bids instead of passing, that would be ok also (tho i do wonder why not over 3d, why wait to 4d)

[pclayton]

whereagles, on Dec 10 2004, 02:14 PM, said:

Just to get things straight. The auction was not 1D-X-2D, it was

1♦ dbl 3♦ pass
4♦ ..??

Whoa - this is a horse of a different color. I swear I didn't see the 4♦ call on the original post...you sure it was there? It looks like Ben missed it too; I can understand me missing this - but not Ben

The four level is an entirely different situation. However, I'm sure its a preemptive reraise with a 5th or 6th diamond. I may be getting baited here, certainly.

I still double, mind you, but now my hand is what I consider to be a dead minimum for this auction, and I'm doing so because I expect a stiff diamond in pard's hand. Maybe pard can bid 4♠; I don't know.

Even then, I'm expecting them to sac. I'm not expecting pard to bid 3♠ over 3♦ on hands like: Qxxxx, xxx, x, Qxxx.

[Fluffy]

Double is take out guys, the most probable thing you get by doubling is to get the undoubled downs on the wrong column, but on average its the one that scores the maximum also probably sincec you aren´t very far from game, double to me.

[EricK]

Fluffy, on Dec 11 2004, 04:20 AM, said:

Double is take out guys, the most probable thing you get by doubling is to get the undoubled downs on the wrong column, but on average its the one that scores the maximum also probably sincec you aren´t very far from game, double to me.

Although a second double is for take out, partner will often pass it at the 4 level. Especially, as here when we have pretty much denied a 5 card suit by our initial double of 1♦.

I think partner will do the right thing quite often here if I double, and I am just too strong to let them play 4♦ undoubled.

Eric

[bearmum]

I would NEVER pass so Double the only option

[nikos59]

I voted for double.

But I don't have any certainty or
strong feelings. Even if double
gets, say, 75% of the votes, the
problem is still real and close.

[flytoox]

nikos59, on Dec 11 2004, 11:45 AM, said:

I voted for double.

But I don't have any certainty or
strong feelings. Even if double
gets, say, 75% of the votes, the
problem is still real and close.

I think it is not quite close. Dbl could be wrong this time, but in long run it should win out.

[Fluffy]

He isn´t likelly to pass at all, he expects someting like 15-17 with 4405 or 4414 rather than a balanced strong, he probably thinks 4♦ makes when he has nothing (kinda likelly) and will bid 4M with 4 cards.

[mila85]

My double here is something between takeout and penalty.

Jxx
Jxxxxxx
J
Jx............4h (can make)

Jxxx
Jxxx
Jx
Jxx......pass (Partner should be able to defeat it)

[mikestar]

I double if my partner is well versed in LOTT and will leave it in unless he is shapely.