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#21 User is offline   Codo 

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Posted 2013-January-23, 04:45

According to your logic you better do not open these borderline hands....
They could have doubled you in 1 and you will get just 2 Spades and two club tricks for -3 doubled...


Yes partner can have a yarb, but this yarb could be xxx,xxxx,xx,xxxx and you make 2 . Or he holds 5 clubs and you are fine in 3 Clubs. or he holds hearts and you get a juicy penalty.

To play him for the worst possible hand is not likely to succeed in the long run.
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Posted 2013-January-23, 05:39

Too optimistic,this hand is more suitable for defense than playing I think,Don't spend time beating on a wall, hoping to transform it into a door. Posted Image


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Posted 2013-January-23, 06:37

View Postlycier, on 2013-January-23, 02:51, said:

For example: Supposing partner's hand

For every hand you come up with where double is worse than pass, there are two where double works better. Even in your hand picked example, there are no guarantees that 3 will not provide a better score than 2. Now compare all the hands where passing is a complete disaster.


View Postlycier, on 2013-January-23, 02:51, said:

who can be able to say 3D is a good playable contract according to the Law of total tricks?

To be honest with you, I could not care tuppence whether the contract is good according to LOTTy; I care whether it is good in practise.


View Postlycier, on 2013-January-23, 02:51, said:

Who can say playing 3D can be easy to get 9 tricks?but it must be a very hard work.

8 tricks are plenty if 2 was making, no? This is really easy - we have a take-out hand and good reason to think that letting them play 2 undoubled is not ideal for our side. It is not a sure thing by any means but the balance of probabilities is on the side of the doublers. Sometimes doubling is riskier than on this hand but you have to do it anyway because passing would be even more risky. If you only compete when you are certain that you will land in an A1 contract then you are going to get robbed from...a lot.


View Postlycier, on 2013-January-23, 02:51, said:

The advantage of pass is to avoid chasing a poor contract .The defense at ease is also a good idea.

Are you sure 2 is not already a poor contract for our side? What if partner only has 3 hearts, or two - or do your opponents always choose to follow The Law?

My defence would absolutely not be at ease on the deal because I would not play partner for this hand.


View Postlycier, on 2013-January-23, 02:51, said:

Pass is always an option.

Literally you are correct. You can always pass at your turn to call. But pass is often not the best option. This is one of those occasions.
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Posted 2013-January-23, 07:13

lycier you are overthinking bad scenarios, you can land in terrible contracts (worse shape for partner is 1543 BTW), but most often you will land in a decent spot.

Sometimes you open 1 and go for -1100, it doesn't change that you should still open the bidding with 12 balanced.
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Posted 2013-January-23, 07:25

View Poststeve2005, on 2013-January-20, 09:44, said:


responders hand to weak for 1N.


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Posted 2013-January-24, 00:27

And sometimes partner has
xx
xxx
Kxxxxx
xx

and every card is right and you just happen to make 5D. (Not that you want to be in it, of course).
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Posted 2013-January-24, 02:42

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Posted 2013-January-24, 11:41

Doubling 2 is easy, extras with support for the other suits. Bidding 3 not only causes what happened at the table, but also bypasses your likely 2 contract.
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