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Gambling 3 NT What are defensive biddng options?

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Posted 2013-January-15, 21:17

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p-p-3NT-?

3NT Gambling shows long minor.
Questions
1.What will you bid with your favourite partner? Please give your agreements in different situations.
2.If you choose to double and west and north pass and east bids 4 what would you bid? Again much obliged if you could elaborate.
3.Do you think the following structure is playable?
Double = general take out showing opening hand values and no biddable major.
4= Both majors can be 5/4.If they take out in minor advancer bids his better major or doubles to show equal length
4D= Transfer to H
4H= transfer to Spades
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Posted 2013-January-16, 00:57

What would I bid over a gambling 3NT? I would pass. If West pulls to 4D, then I will x for takeout. Else they play 3NT.

.If you choose to double and west and north pass and east bids 4♦ what would you bid? Again much obliged if you could elaborate.
This situation cannot exist if you are playing decent players. If you x and the partner of the 3NT player pulls it ok, but here East cannot pull. His partner makes the decision, not him.
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Posted 2013-January-16, 02:38

Why do you want to play transfers? It puts the wrong hand on lead, and the only gain is on the rare hands where you want to show a second suit at the fivel-level.

If you want to play artificial methods, something like MultiLandy is better - 4 majors, 4 one major, 4M two-suited with a minor. Or it might be better to play 4M natural and 4 as a major-minor two-suiter.
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Posted 2013-January-16, 04:36

View Postgnasher, on 2013-January-16, 02:38, said:

Why do you want to play transfers? It puts the wrong hand on lead, and the only gain is on the rare hands where you want to show a second suit at the fivel-level.

If you want to play artificial methods, something like MultiLandy is better - 4 majors, 4 one major, 4M two-suited with a minor. Or it might be better to play 4M natural and 4 as a major-minor two-suiter.


I play Multi Landy. The points for me are:

1) We need a method for showing one and two suiters.

2) It's what I play against 1NT.

If I were designing a method from scratch, it would probably be different, but there is not much to be gained by pursuing perfection. It's a low frequency position, so having a method I am comfortable with is the key.

On the actual hand I would double 3NT and then double 4 for take-out. For me, the double of 3NT shows a take-out double of whatever minor they hold - not 5 defensive tricks. If you think about what you are trying to achieve in this sequence, it isn't taking 3NT one off. The huge penalties are going to come when partner is stacked in their suit, but when he isn't, your focus should be on constructive bidding.
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Posted 2013-January-16, 05:31

1. I would double to show values
2. I would double for take out
3. I would play natural, I am not too impressed by the ability to find 4/4 fits while expecting bad breaks,
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Posted 2013-January-17, 04:46

Double twice

I prefer quite a natural approach, where the first Dbl shows values and lets them bid their suit, and continuations once their suit is known are just like they opened 4m. It's a waste of one of the immediate 4m overcalls, but it's such a rare opening that I don't mind.
Remark: Dbl followed by pass suggests penalizing them (because a 2nd Dbl is takeout).
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Posted 2013-January-23, 06:44

Here is another option from Marvin French based on Ripstra which may or may not be of interest. I wonder how many other 1NT defences can be adapted for this purpose!
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Posted 2013-January-23, 07:31

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-January-23, 06:44, said:

Here is another option from Marvin French based on Ripstra which may or may not be of interest. I wonder how many other 1NT defences can be adapted for this purpose!

I've had Ripstra as my defense to Gambling 3NT for most of my bridge career. It (well the 4m part of it) hasn't come up yet, but it is easy to remember. Since I learnt the convention when I was a Dutchie in the USA it was even easy to remember the name.

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