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技术性加倍后的技术性加倍

#1 User is offline   lycier 

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Posted 2013-January-15, 21:57

View PostFluffy, on 2013-January-15, 18:07, said:

J10xx
QJ98
x
J10xx

(pass)-pass-(2)-double
(5)-pass-pass-double
(pass)-??

IMPs, our side vulnerable


西班牙高手fluffy的贴子:
敌方第三家开叫弱二后,敌方直接加叫进局5D,第四家反复两次技术性加倍,你持有:
J10xx
QJ98
x
J10xx

现在怎样处理。

IMPs,我方单有局。
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Posted 2013-January-17, 00:59

PASS,出去就是吃负分。
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Posted 2013-January-17, 01:44

这道题面确实很难为人,难度很大。
那么这道题刊出后,高手们答案五花八门,我的意见最终作为结束性收尾,也是颇具典型性的发言,同时也获得一些专家们的认可。下面就谈谈我的见解,欢迎大家积极讨论。
这是题面出处链接


View Postlycier, on 2013-January-15, 21:51, said:

The first double is a take-out,the hand which the second double showed can't be changed into other shapes not because of what the second take-out is,but because of which hand must be made more stronger! I decide to bid 5nt so as to let partner pick up a suit..


大意是:第一个加倍是技术性加倍,第二个加倍所描述的牌情并不因为第二个加倍是什么而会改变当初第一个加倍的牌型,只是防守实力变得更加强劲!所以我决定再叫5nt!让同伴选择一个花色!

View Postgnasher, on 2013-January-16, 07:34, said:

You misunderstand me. I think that partner can have AKxx AKx x KQxxx.

I think his double says "I have a good hand with short diamonds, and I think it likely that we could make game." I don't care what you call that double.

Anyway, you agree that partner can have AKxx AKx x KQxxx. You also say that you want to bid 5NT with J10xx QJ98 x J10xx. So, with these two hands, you will reach 6. Can you see any problem with this?



大意是:你误会我了,我认为同伴持有 AKxx AKx x KQxxx. 我觉得第二个加倍是说:我有一手好牌,短在,我们很可能成局。我不关心第二个加倍是什么。
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Posted 2013-January-18, 04:39

这两个加倍有意思,5NT的叫法很高呀。
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Posted 2013-January-19, 07:51

其实变通的方法是:
看人下菜--同伴水平一般,就pass;同伴是专家高手,就叫5nt。
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Posted 2013-January-25, 04:01

http://www.bridgebas...ake-out-double/
有趣的讨论,大家有兴趣可以到上述链接继续看。
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Posted 2013-January-28, 09:04

学无止境
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Posted 2013-July-24, 21:06

Maximal Double
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Posted 2013-July-27, 04:35

同伴如果是Axxx Axxx A Axxx 这样的牌 第一个2D加倍吗? 5D加倍吗? 如果5D加倍 能叫5NT吗?
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Posted 2013-July-27, 08:52

那我也问一个问题,请大家思考一下:

pd作为技术性加倍牌型,他能pass这个5d吗,如果pass那么又是否逼叫?
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today .我们实现明天理想的唯一的限制全因我们今天的疑虑。
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Posted 2013-July-27, 10:55

pass不逼叫,加倍是技术性的,但允许同伴转化为合作性惩罚性加倍。
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Posted 2013-July-28, 07:33

一个D输墩几乎是肯定的,想完成小满贯需要PD拿22点以上才有可能,B-)
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Posted 2013-July-28, 22:41

九楼的牌例很独特,叫5NT需慎重
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