[pigpenz]

Ikeep trying hoping that eventually it will get fixed and be played as takeout
and I keep playing 4NT

but isnt this standard
x=penalty
4NT=takeout
over 4 spade bids?

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[Bbradley62]

Oh, but you should have posted the hand, to show how incredibly useless the description of 4NT is!

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"11- HCP; 12- total points" is a result of your initial pass; GIB adds nothing to this as a result of your decision to bid.

[pigpenz]

there are alot of instances where the explanation is never gonna fit with the bid
generally on these hands you usually end up playing 4NT down 3-5 which comes out
a plus when they make game, but there are still too many hands where the insurance is cheap to bid
or the hand still belongs to your side

[EricK]

pigpenz, on 2012-December-27, 12:11, said:

Ikeep trying hoping that eventually it will get fixed and be played as takeout
and I keep playing 4NT

but isnt this standard
x=penalty
4NT=takeout
over 4 spade bids?

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I thought standard was X=takeout and 4NT is two places to play. The trouble with playing 4NT as takeout rather than X is that very often partner will want to pass for penalties!

[pigpenz]

EricK, on 2012-December-31, 02:52, said:

I thought standard was X=takeout and 4NT is two places to play. The trouble with playing 4NT as takeout rather than X is that very often partner will want to pass for penalties!

my understanding that double was penalties and 4NT was takeout
most of the ACBL conv cards usually play x as takeout thru 4♥
but this is generally what alot of partnerships play, i fully understand that
GIB doesnt do this but i like to torture myself by bidding it

this was a quick link I found
http://en.allexperts...-question-4.htm

[EricK]

pigpenz, on 2012-December-31, 12:13, said:

my understanding that double was penalties and 4NT was takeout
most of the ACBL conv cards usually play x as takeout thru 4♥
but this is generally what alot of partnerships play, i fully understand that
GIB doesnt do this but i like to torture myself by bidding it

this was a quick link I found
http://en.allexperts...-question-4.htm

I think X = Pen; 4NT = takeout used to be standard.
Here's a link which supports my understanding.
http://www.larryco.c...x?articleID=188

But clearly GIB doesn't have a sensible 4NT definition!

[pigpenz]

EricK, on 2012-December-31, 12:49, said:

I think X = Pen; 4NT = takeout used to be standard.
Here's a link which supports my understanding.
http://www.larryco.c...x?articleID=188

But clearly GIB doesn't have a sensible 4NT definition!

yes I understand that
but at least you have a understanding with a partner

[georgi]

pigpenz, on 2012-December-27, 12:11, said:

Ikeep trying hoping that eventually it will get fixed and be played as takeout
and I keep playing 4NT

but isnt this standard
x=penalty
4NT=takeout
over 4 spade bids?

Since v25 it carries for 4NT - !? Unusual notrump -- 5+ ♣; 5+ ♦; 11 HCP; 12 total points; 7+ relay points; forcing

Double is still the same X - !? -- 3+ ♣; 3+ ♦; 4+ ♥; 11- HCP; 12 total points; 8+ relay points

[pigpenz]

yes I noticed the other day in the bidding room
a 4NT actually showed up as take out
finally
thanks