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#1 User is offline   Lord Molyb 

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Posted 2012-December-24, 12:09


Matchpoints, 2 is Michaels, showing hearts and a minor (any guesses as to which one? :D).
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Posted 2012-December-24, 12:28

I bid 2N to ask which minor, just because...
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Posted 2012-December-24, 13:23

didnt see pass after 2s deleted garbage
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Posted 2012-December-24, 13:40

View Postgszes, on 2012-December-24, 13:23, said:

3h assuming this shows spade support (limit +) the main reason for this is
if p can scare up a 4d splinter our trump fit is so huge that 6s (maybe even 7)
wont depend on the dia K which will surely fall or be ruffing finessable. This bid
might also get us a 5c exclusion bid if p cant bid 4d and another good way to look
for 6/7.

If I were 100% sure 5c was exclusion after 2s that may be the best way to go but
w/o a practiced partnership there is too much chance 5c can be viewed as natural.


Partner might not appreciate all of this since he has hearts and a minor.
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Posted 2012-December-24, 13:47

View PostLord Molyb, on 2012-December-24, 12:09, said:


Matchpoints, 2 is Michaels, showing hearts and a minor (any guesses as to which one? :D).


This is why I do not like Michaels especially in an unpracticed partnership.

Along with the agreement Michaels we also need to agree how to show a suit of our own and even more fundamentally how strong partner is for Michaels.

If ... 2NT P 3; P 3 is natural I will plan to bid that way. If somehow this is non-forcing and partner's Michaels was constructive I will bid 3NT over 3.
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Posted 2012-December-24, 14:03

I would just try to show diamonds and sign off, 3D if it's natural and 2N then 3D if it's not. Maybe this is overly pessimistic but I cannot see this hand playing very well in 3N with no communication, stiff K of hearts as blockage, etc.
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Posted 2012-December-24, 14:19

2NT and then 3NT over clubs.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2012-December-24, 14:39

I'll start with 2N. There's a remote chance partner fits diamonds and if that's the case I'll have a hard time not bidding 8.

Assuming partner has clubs I think our chances in 3N aren't too shabby. I'll likely get a spade lead and I will establish diamonds right away. If partner has the A. I have a re-entry and that gets me to 8. Depending on the layout, I'll exit a (possibly cashing the A first) a middle spade and it seems likely they can't stop me from 9.
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Posted 2012-December-24, 17:14

you could pass
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Posted 2012-December-24, 19:16

not if LHO has KJ109xx of spades..
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Posted 2012-December-24, 23:26

View PostCascade, on 2012-December-24, 13:40, said:

Partner might not appreciate all of this since he has hearts and a minor.

I must be BLIND never saw that pass after 2s sigh my bad i will delete my garbage
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Posted 2012-December-24, 23:32

View PostPhil, on 2012-December-24, 14:39, said:

I'll start with 2N. There's a remote chance partner fits diamonds and if that's the case I'll have a hard time not bidding 8.

Assuming partner has clubs I think our chances in 3N aren't too shabby. I'll likely get a spade lead and I will establish diamonds right away. If partner has the A. I have a re-entry and that gets me to 8. Depending on the layout, I'll exit a (possibly cashing the A first) a middle spade and it seems likely they can't stop me from 9.



I echo this trying to stop in 3d seems too pessimistic despite the probable misfit
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Posted 2012-December-25, 11:46

Partner has to have something as the Michaels bid forces your side to the 3 level. But the hand may play terribly at 3 NT because of potential transport problems.

So, I'm in the camp that will show , and try to sign off there via 3 or 2 NT-3-3 according to whatever your agreements are.
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Posted 2012-December-27, 20:51

3 is to play so I bid 2nt and 3 (presuming 3 is his response) and if he bids 3 over that I'll play in 3nt.

If they bid again I gets my doubles ready!
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Posted 2012-December-27, 21:04

3NT is probably down double dummy, buy it will still make against my usual opponents, I think I'd try it, after 2NT, there is no reason why partner can't have diamonds, and LHO might want to bid his semi-solid spades again at the 3 level
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