[Fluffy]

Scoring: MP

W - N - E - S
1♦ - X -2♦ -ps
ps -2♥ -ps -???

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[whereagles]

It's a GOSH. I might add a 3rd.

[bearmum]

Fluffy, on Dec 11 2004, 05:33 PM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: N/S Scoring: MP

♠ J9862 ♥ Q83 ♦ 109 ♣ 964

W - N - E - S 1♦ - X -2♦ -ps ps -2♥ -ps -???

I think P shows 16(17 maybe) + points and a 5+ card ♥ suit -- he didn't X again to FORCE me to bid so I PASS

(I am probably missing something important tho )

[nikos59]

I pass 2H.
Might bid 2S, though, earlier.
Not now, certainly.

[pbleighton]

Partner shows 5+ hearts, 17+ hcp, bid 3H, barely. Pass is OK too.

Peter

[Chamaco]

pass and bid 3H if they compete

[cf_John0]

To late to make any decision!

[Free]

I usually play this as forcing for 1 round, so I'll just support him to 3♥. However, I know many people who would bid like this with 15HCP, which is suicide ofcourse...

[Gerben47]

I don't play this auction as forcing but with my great cards for the auction ♥Q, doubleton ♦ I will raise.
Partner shows a hand too strong to overcall, i.e. close to a semigameforcing opening bid.

[inquiry]

Here is how I play this.. with five hearts, 4 spades (let's say 4-5-0-4) to keep it simple, I bid hearts first time, and double second time. If I were to double first time for some reason, I would double second time as well, not "discover" my long heart suit.

So... the balancing 2♥ shows a had too good to overcall 1♥ on, not one with general support for all the other suits.. what Whereagle called a gosh (good one suited hand). My hand is not great opposite a gosh. Partner probably has two diamonds at most so my doubleton diamond is not of value. My heart queen third is wonderful. But I am going to provide just one trick for my partner, and I have no distribution. If my diamond doubleton was any other, I would raise. I like my hand, and I think we will make 3♥... but if I bid it, we rate to be in four dwon one.

It is rather passive, but I will pass here at mp. At imps, I would try for game I guess.

Ben

[Fluffy]

The real hand doesn´t really matter, regardless of what you do you will probably end in 3♥ made (althou those who raise directly could had found themselves playing 4, ,it never happened, so we will never know what would partner do).

Only 1 guy followed my decision of bidding 2♠, I bid it on the hope o oppoonents bidding 3♦, so I could compete at the 3 level and let partner decide the best contract, and west bid 3♦... but partner doubled 3♦!, wich left me with another problem, It seems obvious that you will give no trick on defence and 1 in offence, so I bid 3♥, actually you were giving partner 2 tricks: ♥Q+♣9 .

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♣K is onside but stiff, ♠10 is on for them so 3♦ would make with ease.

[inquiry]

Not that it matters, but with this hand I would overcall 1♥, not double.

[EarlPurple]

I don't play GOSH, I play equal-level correction. I don't like my doubleton diamond - would rather my doubleton were clubs and I had 3 diamonds.

Did I have a pre-emptive 3♠ available last round? Though again doubleton is the worst diamond holding I could have.

[inquiry]

EarlPurple, on Dec 14 2004, 02:37 PM, said:

I don't play GOSH, I play equal-level correction. I don't like my doubleton diamond - would rather my doubleton were clubs and I had 3 diamonds.

Did I have a pre-emptive 3♠ available last round? Though again doubleton is the worst diamond holding I could have.

Do you really play jump or double jump advances of your parnters takeout double as "preemptive" with any of your parnters?

I like the ETM victory way of responding to takeout doubles... Here, a one level bid shows 0-10 points, and four card suit (if they bid, it shows good six to 10). A jump to 2 level shows 5-10 with five card suit (with five, must be KQxxx in suit bid). And a bid to three level shows 11-12. Cue-bid, shows a hand with some 4 card suit and 11 or more (so no jump in new suit), or a strong hand without any other useful bid.

If you play a jump as preemptive, please explalin how you handle all the non-preemptive hands.

[EarlPurple]

I don't have any partners to agree these things with sadly. Haven't had any for a long time.

I'm lots of theory and very little practice, I'm afraid.

[whereagles]

Well, Robson/Segal have this simple rule to sort out whether "double + suit" is strong (gosh - good one-suited hand) or mere correction.

It's a gosh if it would be a jump overcall of the opening.

1D X 2D p
p...2H = gosh: 1D 2H would be a jump overcall

1H X p 2C
p...2D = correction. 1H 2D would not be a jump overcall

[EarlPurple]

so what would this be:

1♦ X pass 2♣
pass 2♥ ?

And what should I do with:

♠ KQxx ♥AQJxx ♦ xx ♣ Qx

[inquiry]

EarlPurple, on Dec 15 2004, 10:08 AM, said:

so what would this be:

1♦ X pass 2♣
pass 2♥ ?

And what should I do with:

♠ KQxx ♥AQJxx ♦ xx ♣ Qx

What is the auction you showed? You have a two choice. You can play it as a GOSH (I asked you to bid a suit, and then I pulled it, so I must have a great hand). Or you can play it equal level conversion. I follow the Robson/Segal rules that allow you to pull your partners suit with both, using the logic of the being prepared for the most inconvenient response. I refer you to page 203-206 in their book (see dan neill's webpage for a pdf copy).

Using the Robson/Segal rules, this would be an equal level conversion (scramble). However, if partner had bid 2♥, then 3♣ by doubler would be gosh.

What do I do with the hand you showed? The double and then equal level conversion would work using Robson's Gosh rules. I tend to overcall 1♥ however.

[whereagles]

inquiry, on Dec 15 2004, 03:56 PM, said:

EarlPurple, on Dec 15 2004, 10:08 AM, said:

so what would this be:
1♦ X pass 2♣
pass 2♥ ?

Using the Robson/Segal rules, this would be an equal level conversion (scramble). However, if partner had bid 2♥, then 3♣ by doubler would be gosh.

Are you sure? In page 206 I see exactly the same sequence labeled as a gosh