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您认为这个加倍是什么叫品?

#1 User is offline   lycier 

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Posted 2012-December-16, 23:50

View Poststraube, on 2012-December-15, 23:45, said:

The auction went 1D P 2C (2S) dbl

2C was 2/1 GF. Pd said double showed a good hand. If I wanted to double spades I should pass and let him double cooperatively. I intended penalty and thought this was standard. What's your understanding?





本题面转译自BBO论坛专家牌手版区。
2是2盖1逼局应叫,开叫人的加倍表示一手好牌。如果开叫人想要加倍惩罚2,应该pass,然后等待同伴的合作性加倍。可我倾向于这是惩罚性加倍,觉得这才是标准方式。您是如何理解的?
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Posted 2012-December-17, 02:13

我认为这个加倍惩罚更容易理解
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Posted 2012-December-17, 03:46

ZDS老师不是说了吗?如果PASS是逼叫的,加倍就是惩罚。非常清楚。
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Posted 2012-December-17, 05:13

既然有2/1的牌力,就要权衡进局还是防守(看局况是双无局),如果不能打下3个,宁愿自己叫进局,当然,这个需要判断。
这个加倍,我认为是惩罚性的。

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Posted 2012-December-18, 00:01

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既然有2/1的牌力,就要权衡进局还是防守(看局况是双无局),如果不能打下3个,宁愿自己叫进局,当然,这个需要判断。
这个加倍,我认为是惩罚性的。

同意东方的看法。
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Posted 2012-December-18, 03:04

加倍惩罚无局方的2S通常没多大油水,设计成技术性有更多的适用性,对于无局对有局,我倾向于直接位置加倍惩罚。
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Posted 2012-December-18, 04:32

我看了一下专家级论坛的讨论,大致情况是:
1-较多的高手包括世界大师认为这是惩罚性的。但世界大师不同意开叫人的结构会是J9xx,应该更好更强的结构。
2-较少专家认为负加倍,甚至包括是对有3张的支持性加倍。
3-也有人举例认为丢贯的可能。
4-也有人举出危险的加倍进程。
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Posted 2012-December-18, 04:37

刚才在百度搜索引擎内输入“桥牌谚语”时,第一条就指向了BBO论坛。大家有空去华语世界“桥牌谚语”的帖子去接龙啊!
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Posted 2012-December-18, 20:12

ZDS老师不是说了吗?如果PASS是逼叫的,加倍就是惩罚。非常清楚。
我对这句话感兴趣!
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Posted 2012-December-19, 09:55

我理解:
1,开叫人听到2S后,认为牌型存在问题,无论是已方有将还是无将的成局定约都有风险。
2.开叫人的牌力是开叫的低限,无额外牌力。否则肯定视2S为无物,继续自己的叫牌,甚至PASS,等PD描述再定。

应该是这种情况的惩罚加倍,也许仅仅宕二而已.但总比自己成局宕一的结果好多了。

好多时候,我们自己对成局不确定,愿意处罚OPP,应该就是这时候吧。

另外,PD如果是好的牌型及比2/1应叫更高的牌力,不应该PASS这个加倍.
我思考的结果。:)
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