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Kibitzers unnerving players not covered by 76 Club game anywhere common sense

#1 User is offline   Xiaolongnu 

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Posted 2012-December-07, 21:17

Club game setting. Friday night semi social game at the local club or similar idea. Face it, we all have our favourite and not so favourite fellow bridge players. Obviously, most of us would not mind our friends (in real life) kibbing us while we play, but get unnerved and / or irritated when the not so favourite ones sit and stare at our table.

This is especially true when the Force sensitive part of our instincts (Star Wars reference) tells us that this person who is already on his own a source of irritation, is there precisely to spoil our day, or similarly sporting some wrongful intent. Which in turn is very likely. What are the players' options, especially when there is no clear cut violation of any subset of 76?

As a matter of common sense, it is only fair (?) that the players are allowed to choose their kibbers, or to be exact, to choose out those that unnerve them, in particular, to ban a particularly hated one.
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Posted 2012-December-07, 23:27

It's generally a matter of regulation. In the ACBL, the general conditions of contest provide that

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1. Barring Kibitzers - No player has the right to bar all kibitzers from his table, but each player has the right to bar one individual (excluding tournament officials, the recorder or his designee(s), or officially approved members of the press) from kibitzing play at his table during a session without assigning cause. (A traveling player may bar only one individual during a session without assigning cause). Any kibitzer may be barred for cause by the Tournament Director.
2. Kibitzing Team Members - A kibitzing team member must sit at least two tables away from each table of his/her team's match and may not kibitz at any table playing duplicated boards also being played by his/her team.

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Law 76B4: A spectator must not disturb a player.

I don't know what, if anything, regulations in Singapore say about it, but if you object to the presence of a kibitzer, tell the director. I'm not saying he'll toss the guy, but he might.
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Posted 2012-December-23, 12:24

In a club, it is up to the club to set regulations for kibitzers. In most places, people who object to kibitzers find they do not watch if asked not to whatever the regulations.
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Posted 2013-January-04, 10:40

Question: Isn't a Kibitzer/Spectator someone who is not a participant? Where do the Laws permit a participant to observe at another table. ACBL Disciplanary Regulations make it an infraction to ask for information uring a session about a board that we have already played.

Our club does permit players to watch a another table when they have a sit-out. But, we permit anyone at that table to bar all players from watching. We do also permit a player to bar one SPECTATOR. But in the 15 or so years I have been playing I have only seen a handful of SPECTATORS at the club.
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Posted 2013-January-04, 11:07

The answer to your question is technically "yes". See Law 76D. Players and tournament officials are not spectators.

Clubs are pretty much free to do what they want.
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