[Lord Molyb]

You're playing 2/1 and weak jump shifts with your partner, and you pick up the following hand in third seat:

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What is your first bid?

[BunnyGo]

1NT

[gszes]

 Lord Molyb, on 2012-November-30, 14:25, said:

You're playing 2/1 and weak jump shifts with your partner, and you pick up the following hand in third seat:

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What is your first bid?

5c (4c if it is avialable)



There is no "rational" way to describe this hand.Playing 2/1 a go slow approach
(bidding 2c) will cause huge headaches later in the bidding when p plays you to
(gasp) have POWER for your 2c bid. While you are an ace short of a 2c bid your
hand has significant offensive potential. IMO it is far better to bid 5c immediately
than risk getting left in some plebian 1n contract that may easily go down more
than 5c with none of the game benefits. I would use a 4c bid if I was sure it was
available but playing WJS many pairs use 4c as a splinter with dia support.

The main advantage of 4c over 5c is that slam exploration is still possible if p has
a huge hand with no spade control and wishes to cue bid.

[mike777]

5c

i call an 8 card suit, trumps.

we are vul and north could not overcall even though nv.

[nigel_k]

I am happy to play in clubs but not sure of the level. It could easily be a hand where nobody makes anything. I'm not sure what it means when you say we're playing 2/1 and weak jump shifts. If 2♣ then 3♣ can be passed I will do that. Otherwise 1NT I suppose though I strongly dislike a method where I have to bid 1NT on this hand.

[MrAce]

Idk what i would bid and what is the best bid, but i know i would never bid 5♣. I know i wouldn't bid anything over 3NT yet. Especially when my void is pds suit.

[mr1303]

I bid an invitational 3C. Which I think is close to what I have.

1D 3C should not be a weak jump shift even if 1D 2H or 1D 2S is.

[cloa513]

The important factor is the quality of North's hand. Is it A rich especially in the majors then 4 or 5♣ is the contract or is it lots of lower honours with at least 2 clubs then 3NT is better. The danger of 1 NT is being passed with the former type of hand. 3♣ if you make it either mixed raise or mainly clubs hand is reasonable description. With ace rich hand, North should bid the lowest suit with honours and South bid hearts in this case. With lower honours and clubs support then NOrth has an easy 3NT and with no clubs support then just bid 4C.

[bigbenvic]

I bid 2♣, sure it's not the hand he expects but I can rebid clubs over all his 'normal' rebids (2♦,2♥, 2♠ & 2nt)

If partner gets excited I have an 8 card suit and a void, not the worst news in the world.

[ggwhiz]

1♠ I'm crazy and dyslexic.

It's not impossible that pard picked off their 9 card diamond fit with the opening and I picked off their 8 or 9 card spade fit with this bid. Too delicious to resist but somebody will have a last laugh and I can only hope it's me.

If you offered me 50% I would fold my cards and take it in a flash.

[rmnka447]

I'm bidding 2 ♣ followed by 3 ♣ and if need be 4 ♣. Pard will eventually get the picture.

[helene_t]

 mr1303, on 2012-December-01, 05:15, said:

I bid an invitational 3C. Which I think is close to what I have.

1D 3C should not be a weak jump shift even if 1D 2H or 1D 2S is.

Yes I agree with this. If 3♣ is 0-5 and 2♣ is 12+ then a 1NT response has to accomodate all semipositive and invitational hands with long clubs.

You could for example play:
0-5: Pass
6-9: 1NT followed by 3♣
10-11: direct 3♣
12+: direct 2♣.

[Zelandakh]

It rather depends on what one means by a weak jump shift. For example, it is possible to play:

0-4: Pass
5-8: 3♣
9-11: 1NT followed by 3♣
12+: 2♣

and describe the 3♣ response as a WJS.