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#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2012-December-09, 06:47

IMPs, teams

Actual bidding in diagram. Beside opening 1 iso 1, what could have been done better?

Suppose the bidding would start (SA, not 2/1!, not (Non-)serious 3NT):
1-2
3-3 (does North have enough for 3S?)
..easier with -fit because South can find Norths Q.

Actually East was dealer. At our table East opened 2 mini-precision (Weak with , if only 5c then also a 4cMajor):
(2)-3!-3
3-4
4-4
4NT-5
(DBL)-6-AP
Not clear what N-S meant with this bidding (even not after asking them).
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Posted 2012-December-09, 07:06

After starting 1 it would seem the right continuation after the 3 bid is for North to bid 4, not 4. South can forego RKB and bid 5. North holding the Q will know all values are working and bid 6 - knowing that any club losers will go away on long . South rates to have 3 or fewer minor cards.

After starting 1 the auction would look something like:
1 - 1N
3 - 4
5 - 6

The key is RKB does not help South learn about North's values.
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Posted 2012-December-09, 17:31

When S asks key card and knows only one is missing should bid slam. Think of what S knows, there is a 9 card fit with the AKQ of trump. Partner has a game force with at most the J of hearts and only one A. The X of the 5 bid probably scared S, but if that is for lead suggesting the KQ of clubs with E, then the double is a mixed blessing (we don't want a club lead, but the slam will still likely be on). Think about it that partner has at most one A, and at most the J of hearts and clubs. That is at least 6 points from diamond KQJ and spade Q. If partner has the A of spades, he likely has the Q should be able to draw trump and pitch partners clubs on spades (in the worse case finessing for the Q with something like Axx Jxxx KQJ Jxx opposite). If partner is missing the A of spades he has the A of diamonds and then he very likely has the K, and in the worst case he'll have the Q and you can try finessing in diamonds to pitch the club (that would be a hand like Qxx Jxxx AQJ Jxx - not really a great gf).
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Posted 2012-December-10, 03:59

1-2 (2 would show 5 cards for me)
2-3
3-3NT non serious
4-4
RKCB and slam.

Bidding RKCB and not bidding slam when only one KC is missing is just silly.
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Posted 2012-December-10, 04:41

Hi,

in the given seq.

1S - 2D
3H - ...

If 3S showes add. strength, the answer is No, North is not strong enough,
he should simply bid 4H or 4S, and that will be the end of the auction,
South showed all he had with 3H, if not, than South will be sign of in 4S,
over 3S.

Playing a simple system, I prefer to show the fit immendtialy, i.e. 3S,
I am nearly sure, even in SAYC the jump raise only promises 3 card support,
and SA is a stripped down version of SAYC.

Playing no add. agreements you wont have a solid auction to 6M.
You need to localize the double fit, and have to find out, that there is no
wastage even with diamond shortage oppossite AKQ.

Even if you bid 2H instead of 3H, assuming 2H to be forcing, which it is in SAYC,
it will be hard.

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Posted 2012-December-11, 10:08

View Postkgr, on 2012-December-09, 06:47, said:

IMPs, teams

Actual bidding in diagram. Beside opening 1 iso 1, what could have been done better?

South
1S - 2D ( SAYC; promises a rebid )
2H - 3H ( 4 cards )
4C - 5H ( asking for 6H w/ 2 of top 3 )
6H
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Posted 2012-December-11, 10:20

1. I do not care much about any bidding starting with 1 . And with a -say- 6/5 hand, I would bid slam...
2. Over 1 it is easy. I would not like to bid 4 to show a minimum 2/1 with a fit. This hand is an interessting exception where I would prefer spades to a possible 4-4 heart fit, but I would not jump around. My hand could be much worse (xxx,xx,KQJxxx,Kx f.e would be a non minimum 2/1 for you...), so 3 would set the fit and we would reach six with confidence.
3. Over a 2 (weak two?) I would double and we would end in 6 heart after: (2) X 3 3 4 4 NT. We would not find out about the queen of spades, but what do I know- partner may hold a singleton or we can play the suit for just one loser....
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