[badderzboy]

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How do you bid this hand to slam.

(i) Playing weak NT 12-14 no interference
(ii) Weak NT but 2♦ bid over 1NT

(iii) Not playing weak NT? i.e. 1♣ - 2♦(Weak Jump overcall)?

Many Thanks

Steve

[HeartA]

South North
1C 1H
1S 5D*
5N** 6D***
?? 7S

*Exclusive RKC
**2 Key cards
***Kings?
??depends on the agreement.

[PriorKnowledge]

Use GSF.... Assuming transfers:
1N 2H
2S 5N Opener might bid 3S
7S

If 2D interference
1N (2D) 3S
4S 5N
7S

1C (2D) 2S
3S 5N
7S

[luke warm]

badderzboy, on Dec 7 2004, 01:07 AM, said:

Dealer: South Vul: Both Scoring: Unknown

♠ QJ1087 ♥ AKQ873 ♦   ♣ A10 ♠ 4 ♥ J96 ♦ AQ9852 ♣ 642 ♠ 965 ♥ 102 ♦ KJ74 ♣ 8753 ♠ AK32 ♥ 54 ♦ 1063 ♣ KQJ9

How do you bid this hand to slam.

(i) Playing weak NT 12-14 no interference
(ii) Weak NT but 2♦ bid over 1NT
(iii) Not playing weak NT? i.e. 1♣ - 2♦(Weak Jump overcall)?

weak nt, no interference is not hard, but we don't play xfers so have to bid a little

1nt : 2d - gf
2s : 2nt - 4 spades, ask
3c : 3d - 4 clubs, ask
3h : 4c - 4234, cab
4h : 4s - 4 controls, spiral scan
5d : 7s - top spade, top club, no top diamond, everything known (the 4 controls have to be ♠A, K and ♣K)

with 2d interference

1nt (2d) 3d (p) 3s (p) 5nt (p) 7s

1c (2d) x (p) 2s (p) 5nt (p) 7s

[mila85]

Without interferenece:
1nt-3h
3nt-4s
5c -5NT
6NT-7s
-3 in major shows 5 cards and GF values (choose 3NT or 4M) or 5-5 and slam try.
Opener with only two heards bids 3nt and I reverse 4s (1nt-3s/3nt-4h is passable).
-5c is cuebid - I know about the king.
-Now I must close both eyes and ask by 5NT for trumph quality. After 6NT life is easy but if the answer was "nothing" I would play 6s without AK of trumphs....
-I think it would be fine in situations like this one use 4NT as something else than BW. Do you have any tips?

After interference:
1nt-(2d)-3h-(p)
3s -(p) - 5nt-(p)
6nt-(p) - 7s - ....
-We play lebensohl. 3h is natural and GF. I bid heards first because 6 is more than 5 and I can reverse after possible 3NT rebid.
-Partner does not have diamond stopper, has only two heards and 4 spades - clear 3s.
-5nt ask for trumph control - I hope he has at least one honour. I know about doubleton heard so clubs should be ok.
...

HeartA wrote:
South North
1C 1H
1S 5D*
5N** 6D***
?? 7S

***Kings?
***The answer will be 1 king. You can flip a coin - diamond or club king?

PriorKnowledge wrote:
Use GSF.... Assuming transfers:
1)
1N 2H
2S 5N Opener might bid 3S
7S
2)
If 2D interference
1N (2D) 3S
4S 5N
7S
3)
1C (2D) 2S
3S 5N
7S
Why do you bid your spades first?
1) You don't know about spade fit.
1)+3) You don't know about club king. Opener can have 5 clubs. Then you need he has only 2 heards and 3-2 break.

luke warm wrote:
1nt (2d) 3d (p) 3s (p) 5nt (p) 7s
1c (2d) x (p) 2s (p) 5nt (p) 7s
What does 3d over 2d mean?
I don't think that takeout dbl. with 6-5 is a good bid? What about pass by partner?

[luke warm]

mila85, on Dec 7 2004, 02:49 PM, said:

luke warm wrote:
1nt (2d) 3d (p) 3s (p) 5nt (p) 7s
1c (2d) x (p) 2s (p) 5nt (p) 7s
What does 3d over 2d mean?
I don't think that takeout dbl. with 6-5 is a good bid? What about pass by partner?

you said you play leb... what would 3d mean, playing leb?

[PriorKnowledge]

mila85, on Dec 7 2004, 08:49 AM, said:

PriorKnowledge wrote:
Use GSF.... Assuming transfers:
1)
1N 2H
2S 5N Opener might bid 3S
7S
2)
If 2D interference
1N (2D) 3S
4S 5N
7S
3)
1C (2D) 2S
3S 5N
7S
Why do you bid your spades first?
1) You don't know about spade fit.
1)+3) You don't know about club king. Opener can have 5 clubs. Then you need he has only 2 heards and 3-2 break.

Bid spades to establish spades as trump for 5N GSF. Only info needed is ♠AK. Willing to risk 6S off AK to easily find 7S with AK.
1) After 1N opener, play spades, don't need another trump suit
2) ♠AK is 7 with 5-7 more. So many possibilities: AD, KC, pitching clubs on hearts and ruff last club, ♦KQ ruffing finesse, club finesse, or AD lead with KD in dummy.

[HeartA]

mila85, on Dec 7 2004, 07:49 AM, said:

HeartA wrote:
South North
1C 1H
1S 5D*
5N** 6D***
?? 7S

***Kings?
***The answer will be 1 king. You can flip a coin - diamond or club king?

Well, since I have already use exclusive RKC, ♦K should not count at all.
BTW, I think commonly used way of answering Kings is the location not numbers. So depending on agreement, 6♣ (relay) instead of 6♦, can be used for King asking. Or after South answered 2 RC, North could directly bid 7S, hoping ♥ could take care South's ♣ loser(s) if any.

[pclayton]

1N - 2♦
2♥ - 3♠
4♠ - 5♦
5N - 7♠

1N - 12-14
2♦ - Transfer
3♠ - 2nd suit
5♦ - Exclusion

.....bla bla bla

With the interference (just as easy):

1N - (2♦) - 3♦
3♠ - (pass) - 5♦
.....

3♦ = Rubensohl (inv + in hearts)
3♠ = maximum; 4 spades, no heart fit

etc..

Not playing weak NT:

1♣ - (2♦) - 2♥
2♠ - (pass) - 5♦.....

[mila85]

luke warm, on Dec 7 2004, 07:56 AM, said:

mila85, on Dec 7 2004, 02:49 PM, said:

luke warm wrote:
1nt (2d) 3d (p) 3s (p) 5nt (p) 7s
1c (2d) x (p) 2s (p) 5nt (p) 7s
What does 3d over 2d mean?
I don't think that takeout dbl. with 6-5 is a good bid? What about pass by partner?

you said you play leb... what would 3d mean, playing leb?

3d is stayman without diamond stopper.
-2NT-3c-3d is stayman with a stopper.

[mila85]

HeartA, on Dec 7 2004, 01:48 PM, said:

mila85, on Dec 7 2004, 07:49 AM, said:

HeartA wrote:
South North
1C 1H
1S 5D*
5N** 6D***
?? 7S

***Kings?
***The answer will be 1 king. You can flip a coin - diamond or club king?

Well, since I have already use exclusive RKC, ♦K should not count at all.

Yes, you are right. Sorry..

[Free]

Jlall, on Dec 8 2004, 10:11 AM, said:

interesting you all expect east to pass with KJxx of diamonds. Usually east is not so kind in real life.

Imo if East isn't quiet, he's VERY kind, since now both hands can clearly see their ♦s won't have losers... Then I think bidding to grand is "piece of cake" (not thàt easy, but you get the picture)!

[mila85]

PriorKnowledge, on Dec 7 2004, 09:55 AM, said:

mila85, on Dec 7 2004, 08:49 AM, said:

PriorKnowledge wrote:
Use GSF.... Assuming transfers:
1)
1N 2H
2S 5N Opener might bid 3S
7S
2)
If 2D interference
1N (2D) 3S
4S 5N
7S
3)
1C (2D) 2S
3S 5N
7S
Why do you bid your spades first?
1) You don't know about spade fit.
1)+3) You don't know about club king. Opener can have 5 clubs. Then you need he has only 2 heards and 3-2 break.

Bid spades to establish spades as trump for 5N GSF. Only info needed is ♠AK. Willing to risk 6S off AK to easily find 7S with AK.
1) After 1N opener, play spades, don't need another trump suit

I also bid 5NT and I hope that partner has at least one of AK of spades.
I don't understand that you have very good 6 heards and not so good 5 spades.
You don't know that partner has 4 spades and only 2 heards.

1nt-2h
2s -5nt
?s

Partner can have:
AK
Jxxx
QJx
QJ10x
In 7s you can take club finesse but 7h are cold..

Or:
Kx
Jxxx
AKxx
Jxx
6s one down after club lead, 6h cold...

AK
xxxx
Axx
Kxxx
Always when your pard has 4h you risk a ruff.

1nt-(2d)-3s-(p)
3nt-(p)- what now?

[luke warm]

wouldn't 1nt (2d) 3d find the heart fits on some of the examples you showed?

[Fluffy]

1NT-2♥
2♠-3♥
3♠-5NT/♦
...

1NT-(2♦)-3♦
3♠-5NT/♦
....


1♣-2♦-X(NFB stinks when you have a 2-suiter)
2♠-5NT/♦
....

Luckylly partner held 4♠, if he had 3 this one would be vey tough.

[mila85]

luke warm, on Dec 8 2004, 07:06 PM, said:

wouldn't 1nt (2d) 3d find the heart fits on some of the examples you showed?

Yes, you find heard fit on hands I showed, you find spade fit on hand from original post.
But what do you do after
1nt-(2d)-3d-(p)
3nt-(p)-??

3nt is without 4c major and with diamond stopper.

[luke warm]

4d?

[mila85]

luke warm, on Dec 10 2004, 08:37 AM, said:

4d?

Ok, it's possible.
But why? 4d is not in our system and we never used it, I don't know the meaning. Sometimes it's necessary to improvise but why now when I can use descriptive natural 3h? I think that my partner would recognize the meaning of 4d but I will never be sure about the next bidding until final pass...

[luke warm]

if the bidding has gone:

1nt-(2d)-3d-(p)-3nt-(p)

what possible meaning could 4d have? 3d asked for majors, 3nt showed none... if i was opener i'd take 4d as showing a monster major hand with slam interest, whether or not this exact sequence had been discussed