[bridgeboy]

You Hold:

T94
AKT85
64
J72

imps, Vul against not

Partner deals and open 1D , RHO overcalls 1S, your bid?



Sorry if this question is too elementary

[mike777]

x, 2h is close if playing NFB

[HeartA]

I can't vote, since I play NFB and I would over-call 2H which is not forcing.

If my pd insists no on NFB, dbl is the choice.

[the hog]

This is actually not at all an elementary qiestion. Even playing negative free bids, this hand is not quite good enough to bid a nf 2H - its is close. Double is best regardless of what method you play.

[luke warm]

since 2h is forcing i see, i'm limited to double... ron might be correct that x is best anyway, but i'd still bid nf 2h if i could

[Free]

Pfff, if 2♥ is forcing, then I'll just Dbl... Otherwise 2♥ NF

[civill]

Genarally,2H should be free response after opp's competitive.
Now it's forcing,I can only pass,'cause of no support.
I can wait for PD's rebid.

[joker_gib]

X too !

[bearmum]

IF 2♥ HAS to be forcing I vote for double

[mr1303]

I had an e-mail about this hand the other day, only the minor suits were reversed, and I was a passed hand. Then I bid 2H. But as a non-passed hand, and with only minimal support for partner's suit, I can only double.

[the hog]

As a matter of interest, I would like the nfb 2H bidders what their range for this bid is.

[inquiry]

The_Hog, on Dec 7 2004, 05:35 PM, said:

As a matter of interest, I would like the nfb 2H bidders what their range for this bid is.

Hi Ron,

I didnt' bid 2♥ on this hand becasue that nfb is not standard. But, playing equality, I have three ways to show ♥ after the 1♠ overcall.

I can bid 2♣ which shows 4+ hearts, and a balanced or semi-balanced hand. Forcing to 2♦.

I can bid 2♦ to show 5+ hearts, and forcing, but only to 2♥.

I can bid 2♥ which is negative free bid.

But in my case, the bidding can die in 2♥ after the 2♦ 5+ showing bid, and it can die in some other low level contracts as well. So 2♦ transfer is not game force. This stretches the range of the "forcing" 2♦ so the negative free bid can be lighter than normal.

On some auctions (such as this one), we give up the natural raise to two of a minor. But we still have several ways to raise the first minor (fit jumps to three level, cue-bid, 2NT - ultra weak raise or game forcing, preemptive jump raise, and showing a balanced hand pattern then supporting.). I thought I would miss the direct raise to two of a minor, but so far, so good.

Ben

[mike777]

I prefer NFB to be a six card suit and around 7-11 HCP but could be less.

We can open very junky hands.

[the hog]

OK. Nice agreements Ben.
Reason I posed my question was that imo this hand is, (a little), below my requirements for a nfb. I would like a 6th H or an extra Q. I don't regard is as so "obvious" a bid as some do.

[luke warm]

a 'normal' nfb is between 5 and 11 hcp, usually, with 5+ pcs... at the 2 level it would be 7/8-11 or shapely...

[the hog]

Jimmy, I would expect

1S (2C) 2H
to show

xx
AQJxxx
Qxx
xx

or

xx
AQJxx
Kxx
xxx

Else it is too hard for opener, and a courtesy raise may well put you into an unmakeable 3 level contract to lose 5 imps. Similarly what if next hand raises? How is opener to judge whether to bid game or not in a sequence such as
1C (1S) 2H (3S) if you have such a wide range; so to Frederick's "Pfff", I say "Double Pfff".

[dogsbreath]

Hi ..
the player on your left is probably going to bid 2s if he got 13 cards ..so if you pass it wont get easier So y gotta bid ..probably X unless y play Ben/Misho's excellent Eq stuff.
Rgds Dog

[the hog]

Martin I would X on the hand to show 4/5 H.

[HeartA]

The_Hog, on Dec 7 2004, 07:58 PM, said:

Martin I would X on the hand to show 4/5 H.

If you play NFB, you can't dbl. dbl then what would you do in the next round? 3H which is better than direct 2H? pass which hides your AKTxx ♥ forever? The purpose to play NFB is to be able to bid this kind of hand (close to minimum) freely.

[the hog]

"If you play NFB, you can't dbl. dbl then what would you do in the next round?"

Huh? I fail to find any logic in the quoted comment. Next round after what? I do play nfb, and I do X with this hand. If partner makes a minimum bid I pass or correct 2C to 2D. Even if he bids 2H I am not raising on a 9, (count them), loser hand.

The "purpose" of a nfb, or any bid for that matter, is to give partner some indication of your holdings. Bidding 2H is an overstatement of that.