[the hog]

Much as I like Moscito and find it a highly aggressive system, there is no doubt it is liable to pre emption.

As a matter of interest I am posting the opening bids of a new system that has many of the advantages of Moscito, but tries to take are of the pre emption problem. Your comments are invited.

1C
11-14 balanced, including all 4432 4333 5332
OR 14-17 any single or 2 suiter
OR 18+ any

1D
10-14 4+H, unbalanced, may be canape

1H
10-14 4+S unbalanced, may be canape in a minor

1S
10-14 4+D unbalanced

1N
15-17

2C
10-14 6+C
Or
4+4+ Majors, 0-10 depending on vul of course

Full relays over all openings

[Cowology]

[Antoine Fourrière]

Don't like the "OR 14-17 any single or 2 suiter" part of 1♣. These hands need a somewhat more precise first move (and so do the weak notrumps and the strong hands).
Wouldn't like the six-card 2♣ on grounds of frequency if there weren't a second hypothesis.

Would prefer something like

1♣ 11-14 balanced or 17+
1♦ 10-14 unbalanced with 4+ hearts
1♥ 10-14 unbalanced with 4+ spades
1♠ 10-14 unbalanced with 4+ diamonds
1N 15-16, no void, no second five-card suit (and perhaps no six-card suit as well)
2♣ 10-14 with 6 clubs or weak with 4+ spades and 4+ hearts
2♦ 14-16 with diamonds (6, 5/5 with clubs or 5440 with clubs) or weak with 6 hearts or 5 spades and a 5-card minor
2♥ 14-16 with hearts (6, 5/5m or 5=0=4=4) or weak with 6 spades
2♠ 14-16 with spades (6, 5/5m or 0=5=4=4) or weak with 5 hearts and 5 clubs
2N 14-16 with both majors (5/5 or 5440 - even 5m -) or weak with 6 clubs
3♣ 14-16 with 6 clubs or weak with 5 hearts and 5 diamonds

After 1N 2♣, 2♦ is balanced and relays back, and the other bids show a shortness, which admittedly wrongsides 3N on occasion.

[pbleighton]

Ron -

1) Hiding 11-14 5M332s in the 1C bid is going to be a loser, IMO. Are you doing this to accomodate the relays?

2) While 1C will not be as inviting to interference as a 15+ strong club, it seems to me that it will be more vulnerable to actual instances of interference than a pure strong club. What are your schemes for handling 1C-2H and 1C-P-(your negative response)-2H, for example?

3) I suggest a name - "Polish Moscito"

Peter

[the hog]

Other option Peter is to put all 5332s 11-14 in 1N opening as Moscito does now

against intervention:
x = t/o
2N /3y = gf
2y = nf

[Free]

In 1 word? YUK!

Against:
1. I'm still not convinced that it's a good idea to open 1NT with 5(M)332 hands. Your own successful preemptive possibilities are not efficient anymore I'm afraid.
2. Seems like you have to open 1♥ with 5432 - 2 - 32 - AKQJT2 since the 2♣ opening probably only contains the singlesuited ♣ hands. Wonderfull if partner supports with 876 in ♠s and a void ♣.
3. I don't like the 37 way 1♣ opening since these are also quite vulnerable to preemption. Perhaps if you'd give the response scheme, I might become convinced .

Pro:
1. I like the idea of opening weak 44+M hands, and with the 2♣ opening you mix the natural opening with the weak possibility. Only sacrifice is point 2 from above.
2. Seems like the relayschemes after 1♦ and 1♥ openings will be quite efficient. Also the singlesuited relayscheme of the 2♣ opening can now start from 2♠ instead of 2NT.

Remark: What do you open with 15-17 and a 3-suiter? There's no opening for that...

[the hog]

"Remark: What do you open with 15-17 and a 3-suiter? There's no opening for that"

Yes there is - open 1D/H

Interestingly this system was played succesfully in Istanbul.

[luis]

The_Hog, on Nov 28 2004, 09:50 PM, said:

"Remark: What do you open with 15-17 and a 3-suiter? There's no opening for that"

Yes there is - open 1D/H

Interestingly this system was played succesfully in Istanbul.

Success of a pair playing a system is not always a merit of the system,
we can conclude that 2/1 is either great or horrible depending on who play the system and the same for the rest of the systems.
What you really need is a chemistry between the players and the system for every pair there's one system that will suit them better to maximize their results.