[flytoox]

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Auction goes as follows:

W N E S
-- -- -- 1S
P 2C P ?

Do you splinter or not?

[mike777]

Not

[hrothgar]

flytoox, on Dec 30 2004, 08:00 PM, said:

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Auction goes as follows:

W N E S
-- -- -- 1S
P 2C P ?

Do you splinter or not?

Too weak for a splinter
Insufficient trump to insist on clubs as trump
too many different possible strains

Need I go on?

[Fluffy]

Splinter consumes too much space, so 3♣ is the only choice. (2♠ denies 4♣ as I play)

[cnszsun]

I like to play splinter after 2/1 as picture bid, so this hand is clearly not the right one. Even i don't play that, splinter is still not the option. Have a look at your 6 good ♠s and partner's ♣ suit maynot be the real good one.

[pclayton]

I can see how a splinter could really simplify this auction, but it has at least three flaws (in order): 1) a 6th spade, 2) a void, 3) a key control in the 4th suit.

Start with 2♠ and see where things go.

[Flame]

I think i would bid 3d if its splinter since in most partnerships 3c isnt forcing, so if i have to choose between 2sp,3sp,2h and 3d i prefer 3D.
on 3D 3sp is probelbly natural so we dont miss the spades on 6-3.
If we play 2/1 GF i would not bid 3d, and either bid 2s or 3c.

This post has been edited by Flame: 2004-December-30, 22:58

[inquiry]

3♣ at imps, 2♠ (foircing) at matchpoints.

I would not splinter because of different by similar reasons to those given by phil... in order of why 1) Void in diamonds, 2) heart ACE (control in off suit), and 3) in case of matchpoints only a sixth spade (were getting to +600 in five clubs could easily lose to +620 in spades).

Ben

[luke warm]

i'd bid 2♠ imps or matchpoints, with a view of supporting clubs later if necessary... with only 5 spades this is a clear 3♣ bid to me, and that isn't a bad bid with 6 spades

[cf_John0]

Almost no game,I'll pass or bid 2S.

[Flame]

cf_John0, on Dec 31 2004, 12:04 AM, said:

Almost no game,I'll pass or bid 2S.

Ax
xx
xxx
Axxxxx

Will make an easy grand slam.

[shanbari]

3c by me to show none minimal hand with good club support.

[mr1303]

As far as I'm aware, partner is an un-passed hand, so passing is how you lose partners (and even if he was I'm still not going to pass)

If 2S is not forcing, I'll splinter, if it is forcing, I'll bid 2S, then support clubs on the next round.

[Free]

Splinter is crazy, you're way too weak!

[Double !]

It would be helpful to know what system my P and I are playing: I shall assume 2/1.

I disagree with using a splinter here for two reasons. 1) other things being equal, the splinter makes bidding out my shape more difficult. I'm not even sure where this hand is going yet (spades, clubs, NT?, minus). By rebidding spades I permitted partner to clarify his/her initial 2C response including setting up situation where P might later be able to show honor-x or better support on spades. 2)I can then support clubs, cue hearts if need be, and have exclusion RKC or cue of diamonds available in back pocket if I need it. There are so many hands that P can have to respond 2C/1S that it seems more beneficial for me to bid out my shape and give P more time to clarify the 2C response. It would seem to be that this would lead to a more co-operative auction with either partner potentially being in a better situation to determine how high we should be, where tricks are coming from, and take control at the appropriate point. IMO, a splinter would tend to deny 6 spades (or at least 6 decent spades: I like to bid where my values are.

In any event: Happy New Year to all Be well, be safe

[han]

Free, on Jan 2 2005, 10:22 AM, said:

Splinter is crazy, you're way too weak!

I don't think that being weak is the issue here, the strength of your hand is fine (especially as dummy for clubs). However, a splinter bid should give a very good description of your hand, and this hand has many flaws.

[HeartA]

Unless partner has a passed hand, 2/1 or sayc or whatever natural system, 2S is forcing (pd will not pass 2S). However, I will bid 3C. If pd rebid 3D/H, I would bid 3S. If pd bid 3S, I will bid 4D (cue-bid).

I re-read the post again. pd did have a passed hand. And I assume 2C is not (rev)Drury. In this case, I assume pd has at least 5+ clubs. I would bid 4D.

[han]

HeartA, on Jan 5 2005, 02:46 PM, said:

Unless partner has a passed hand, 2/1 or sayc or whatever natural system, 2S is forcing (pd will not pass 2S). However, I will bid 3C. If pd rebid 3D/H, I would bid 3S. If pd bid 3S, I will bid 4D (cue-bid).

I re-read the post again. pd did have a passed hand. And I assume 2C is not (rev)Drury. In this case, I assume pd has at least 5+ clubs. I would bid 4D.

It doesn't look like partner is a passed hand to me!

[Winstonm]

No, I don't splinter with this hand....too much to find out as of yet and my hand isn't that good. Assuming 2/1, I'm going to raise clubs first and find out what partner is thinking - he may have been force to bid 2C of J9xx with hand like, AQx, Kxxx, Kx, J9xx to create a force, and be getting ready to support spades. If he does really have decent clubs without spade support, 3NT may be the best spot and by splintering we miss this. Lastly, my hand isn't strong enough to splinter in this minor-suit auction - too dangerous to miss 3nt when pard has: x, Kxx, KQ10, AQJxxx.

[helium]

splinter? NO

(but i dont think its crazy)


kenneth