[jillybean]

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IMP pairs, your bid

[the hog]

I hope you don't mean that you are thinking of bidding 6 something here? This hand looks like a misfit to me. I would like to bid 3D now to see if partner can bid 3S, but I am a little worried about hearing 4C.
2NT would be blackout for me, but if followed up by 3NT shows a better hand than an immediate 3NT, so that is my bid - 2NT followed by 3NT. If partner by passes the semi forced 3C and bids 3S I will think again.

[Fluffy]

Depends on agreements, I would like to bid 2♠ GF relay to see if we have a fit to be able to raise partner's 3♦, but on more straightforward methods 2NT, 3♦ or 3NT might be better choices.

[Codo]

I would bid 2 ♠ to show the fifth spade. Then I bid 3 ♥ to show 3 cards there. Unluckily partner holds 0436 and we miss the only making slam....
But if I start with 3 ♦ this is 4sf and I have no clue what to do over 3 NT or 4 club from partner.
If I start with any kind of NT bid, we may never find a fit anywhere...

[lycier]

I think it is a good idea to rebid 2♠ ,it show any strength with exact five card ♠ so as to save room effectively,and it also allow partner to describe the feature of his hand in further auction.

[helene_t]

If you are not playing Walsh, 3♦ shows the 5th spade also and it may be the only way to show diamonds.

On the other hand, if p can bid 2nt after 2♠ we seem to have some sort of diamond fit.

[Codo]

How can 3 ♦ aks for stopper, shows length AND the 5. spade?

[Antrax]

2/3 ain't bad.

[ahydra]

Wait, 2S is forcing?? What do we bid with Axxxx xxx xxx xx? (Some kind of Lebensohl?)

To be honest, I would just pick 3NT. The hand is a misfit and partner is very unlikely to have enough for 6NT; he can always invite with 4NT anyway.

ahydra

[helene_t]

ahydra, on 2012-November-08, 06:47, said:

Wait, 2S is forcing?? What do we bid with Axxxx xxx xxx xx? (Some kind of Lebensohl?)

Yes, with your hand you sign off in 3♣.

[helene_t]

Codo, on 2012-November-08, 04:57, said:

How can 3 ♦ aks for stopper, shows length AND the 5. spade?

Unless playing it as FSF it doesn't ask for a stopper. If you want to ask for a stopper you will either have a 5th spade (bid 2♠) or club support (bid 3♣).

If you bid 2♠ and p then bids 2NT he must have a diamond stopper.

[gwnn]

helene_t, on 2012-November-08, 07:00, said:

Yes, with your hand you sign off in 3♣.

No, I think we bid 2S first and then bid 3C to show a weak hand with 5S and club tolerance (partner's 2NT, 3C and 3S are all non-forcing in my mind, maybe not to everyone though).

[gwnn]

zap

[Codo]

At least I play it as 4sf, which makes much sense. Missing the rare fit in that 4. suit is a low price for the ability to ask for a stopper in a potential misfitting auction.

2 ♠ has another advantage: It is the bid which leaves the most space for partner. 3 ♦ uses up the most space.

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Wait, 2S is forcing?? What do we bid with Axxxx xxx xxx xx? (Some kind of Lebensohl?)

I would pass 2 Heart and be happy about it. And with a little more, I can rebid 2 Spade, yes.

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2012-November-08, 00:36, said:

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IMP pairs, your bid

3d art/gf..often but not always with 5s..this would be a typical hand.


2s would be 5s and much weaker..say 8/9 at the very most...
2nt would be art/ weakish with only 4s.

should pard rebid 4c over 3d here...I would rebid 4nt natural.(4d would be rkc in c,not natural)

Kx...AQxx...x...AKQTxx

[Zelandakh]

Here's a method over a reverse I published once before, albeit for the auction 1♦ - 1♠; 2♥:

1♣ - 1♠ - 2♥
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2♠ = to play
2N = clubs
... - 3♣
... - ... - 3D = slam try in clubs
... - ... - 3H = 5+ spades
... - ... - 3S = no diamond stop
... - ... - 3N = diamonds stopped, mild slam try
3♣ = to play 3♦ or various GF hands
... - 3♦
... - ... - 3♥ = 6+ spades with diamond stop
... - ... - 3♠ = 5 spades with diamond stop
... - ... - 3N = to play with good diamond stop
3♦ = hearts
... - 3♥
... - ... - 3♠ = starts a cue auction
... - ... - 4m = singleton splinter
3H = 6+ spades, no diamond stop
3S = 5 spades, no diamond stop
3N = to play but without a secure diamond stop, typically 4342 shape
4m = void splinter
4M = to play

So you have the auction 1♣ - 1♠; 2♥ - 3♣; 3♦ - 3♠ showing exactly 5 spades and a diamond stop. It would be tough to get to 6♦ from here though...

If playing that a 2♠ rebid is forcing it seems like a no-brainer to start with that. It is not like we cannot bid some number of NT next time round. If partner bids 2NT instead then we have the option of a natural 3♦, which to some extent caters to the (rare except on BBF) hand Roland was referring to.

[Phil]

3♦ seems normal to me.

[jillybean]

I bid 3♦, now partner bids 6♣

A9642,KJ9,QJ982,V

1♣:1♠
2♥:3♦
6♣:

[ggwhiz]

After 6♣ partner doesn't gaurantee 4 cards in hearts anymore but certainly has a suit that should make this opposite my major controls.

I'm a happy passer. Might miss the grand but it might be opposite a 2-4-0-7 hand with solid clubs and it's not safe to move.

[ahydra]

Well I think after 6C we have to pass. What was partner's hand?

ahydra