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"Fixed" by an Opening Miscount

#1 User is offline   TWO4BRIDGE 

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Posted 2012-November-19, 19:03

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Everyone opened 1NT except at our table .
Our opp ( North ) missed a Q and opened 1D .
This led to a 6D contract ... making 13 tricks :

1D - 3S! ( splinter )
4C - 6D

Practically everyone else was in 3NT making 12 or 13 tricks .

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Posted 2012-November-19, 23:35

My preferred NT response structure has 3 and 3 as 3=1=45 and 1=3=45 respectively, looking for slam. I would have expected to see something like:
1N-3
4- 4
4N - 5
6
Having a mistake land them in an impregnable slam when the field can't get there is definitely unlucky.
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Posted 2012-November-20, 00:19

I'd be disappointed in all the souths not for not trying to find a slam. I like SteveMoe's method (though 1 partner likes to bid the 3 card major to show 1345/3145)

Surely the south hand is worth an invite to slam in a minor?

I know partner has the perfect hand, 3 small opposite our stiff Ace but if you have no way of resolving these hands when you open 1NT and receive no interference, then your methods need looking at.
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Posted 2012-November-20, 01:28

I think the stiff ace is the worst card for the 1345 convention.
But reaching the diamond slam is not too difficult anyway.
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Posted 2012-November-20, 04:16

I would not open 1NT either. B-)

1 = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any
... - 1 = no 4M, GF
2 = 15-17 bal, no 5M
... - 2 = minor suit ask (4-3, 4-4, 5-3, 5-4 minors)
2 = no 5m, not (23)44
... - 2NT = 4m?
3 = 4 diamonds
... - 4 = asking bid agreeing diamonds
4 = club control
... - 4 = RKCB
4NT = 0 or 3
... - 5 = Q ask
6 = Q, no side king, something extra
... - 6

After a 1NT opening, Puppet allows you to check for fits in all 3 possible suits in exactly the same way as the convention Steve describes via the sequence: 1NT - 2; 2 (no 5M) - 3 (5 diamonds, 4 clubs). Even playing SA I cannot see why South does not simply Stayman and bid diamonds. That should reach 6 comfortably on this hand. It would be tougher if the fit were in clubs. All in all, very unlucky.
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Posted 2012-November-20, 05:45

We play weak no trump, so auction would go

1(4+)-2(inverted not GF, may contain 4M)
2N(GF usually balanced)-3
3(stop)-3
4-4(KB)
4(0/3)-4N(Q?)
5N(yes but no side K)-6

Playing our no trump methods, we start 1N-2(weak one minor or at least mild slam try both)-3(4+)-3-4 and the same finish as above.

This reminds me of a board that cost me dearly. We came 4th in one of the big national pairs competitions, close up behind the second pair, with a pair of Egyptians a mile out front. This mattered as the top home pair got an international selection. Somebody opened 1N (12-14), partner bid 6N, and as dummy's balanced 17 count hit the deck, he muttered "sorry partner miscounted my points". Anyway 3 finesses and 2 3-3 breaks later, we signed for no matchpoints.
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Posted 2012-November-20, 10:07

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-November-20, 05:45, said:

This reminds me of a board that cost me dearly. We came 4th in one of the big national pairs competitions, close up behind the second pair, with a pair of Egyptians a mile out front. This mattered as the top home pair got an international selection. Somebody opened 1N (12-14), partner bid 6N, and as dummy's balanced 17 count hit the deck, he muttered "sorry partner miscounted my points". Anyway 3 finesses and 2 3-3 breaks later, we signed for no matchpoints.


And that's why I hate playing matchpoints.

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Posted 2012-November-20, 10:24

Surely a much better fealing if this happens in a team match?!
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Posted 2012-November-20, 13:40

View PostCodo, on 2012-November-20, 10:24, said:

Surely a much better feeling if this happens in a team match?!


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Posted 2012-November-20, 15:53

View PostCodo, on 2012-November-20, 10:24, said:

Surely a much better fealing if this happens in a team match?!

Well hopefully you've got 31 other boards for them to do things like that rather than 1.
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