[RunemPard]

NV/V
Playing 2/1
What would you choose in MP, TM, and IMPs?
What hand are you expecting from partner?

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[ewj]

RunemPard, on 2012-October-23, 09:01, said:

NV/V
Playing 2/1
What would you choose in MP, TM, and IMPs?
What hand are you expecting from partner?

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Well given I have a stiff spade, I am expecting 22(54) or 2155 or so. Between 4 and 5♦. Opps haven't bid overly agressively which suggests things might be breaking for us. Stick me down for 5♦ at teams, might be right at pairs as well...yeh go on, I'll bid it at mps as well.

[Phil]

4♦ seems like plenty with my ♥K facing probably shortness.

[aguahombre]

4♦ seems about right. I expect pard to be 3-1(4-5) and under the dilusion it is our hand.

[jeffford76]

RunemPard, on 2012-October-23, 09:01, said:

NV/V
Playing 2/1
What would you choose in MP, TM, and IMPs?
What hand are you expecting from partner?

Partner has extras and no clear call. 4♦ seems like plenty to me.

[rsteele]

I expect that pd has a limit raise in hearts with only three trump. He may even hold 4 spades in a 4-3-1-5 hand. I pass though I am one of a few left that believe penalty doubles are more lucrative than the "do something intelligent modern double". It should be noted that the 2S bid over one NT is often tactical and pre balancing.

[Phil]

rsteele, on 2012-October-23, 11:49, said:

I expect that pd has a limit raise in hearts with only three trump. He may even hold 4 spades in a 4-3-1-5 hand. I pass though I am one of a few left that believe penalty doubles are more lucrative than the "do something intelligent modern double". It should be noted that the 2S bid over one NT is often tactical and pre balancing.

So partner might have four spades for his 1N call and three hearts for his double. Interesting.

Fun to read about your rebellious view about these 'lucrative' penalty doubles however.

[lalldonn]

I do not think anything but 4♦ is a serious alternative.

[Fluffy]

partner is comiting to the 4 level, ♣AK♦Q are in his range and even more. 5♦ looks right.

[MrAce]

5♦

[jdeegan]

Sounds like we belong in our 9 or ten card ♦ fit. Imho, 4♦ is enough since we only have about half the HCP, and the ♥ king may not be all that great opposite pard's shortness. I am willing to let pard decide what to do if the opps bid 4♠. Five diamonds isn't crazy if the table feels right.

[the hog]

4D seems like the correct bid to me. 5 is too much and three not enough.

[lalldonn]

the hog, on 2012-October-23, 18:02, said:

three not enough.

I 100% agree

[bluecalm]

I would bid 3D round before. I guess it was not possible in OP's system. I happily bid 4D now expecting partner to be 2-2-(4-5) with extras most of the time. I don't think we make 5 opposite that often enough although we will miss some games due underbid in previous round.

[the hog]

bluecalm, on 2012-October-23, 18:35, said:

I would bid 3D round before.

So what would you bid on
x
AKxxx
AKQxx
Jx
Also 3D?

[Codo]

5 ♦ looks right. If partner does not hold enough to make, they often make 4 ♠.
And they will bid 4 ♠ often anyway- one is short in diamonds, they have at least 9 spades, quite often ten and half of the deck.

[Fluffy]

the hog, on 2012-October-23, 21:22, said:

So what would you bid on
x
AKxxx
AKQxx
Jx
Also 3D?

Sorry Ron but that's an obvious double

[gszes]

i am indeed pretty darn minimum and that normally gets a minimalist response from me so
4d seems like the right thing to do. In this case however I think it is underestimating what the
x from p is doing--P feels their hand is worthy of possibly making 4 of a minor opposite 3 card
support from me. Well i have FIVE card support and even though my heart K may be a waste
my singleton spade convinces me to try

5d


Even w/o imagining the perfect cards from p if they hold as little as say xx x xxxxx AQxxx
we are a huge favorite to make 5d and p can easily be an ace stronger (that 3s bid can be
made with almost nothing) I would not be overly surprised if we missed slam.

There is also the tactical consideration that if we cannot make 5d the odds the opps can make
4s goes up. I would much rather bid 5d now than have to bid it after the opps bid 4s with
this being especially true at IMPS.

[Lurpoa]

MrAce, on 2012-October-23, 15:17, said:

5♦

5♥.

[RunemPard]

Playing with a random partner, they chose to pass for -1 and +200. I suppose they took my double as penalties... 5♦ is making easily. I found this board interesting, because playing 2/1, this double can be slightly more wide-ranging in values.

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