[Fluffy]

♠4
♥Q9843
♦A63
♣AKQ8


all vull partner opens 1♥


assume partner will bid 2, 3, 4 or 5♥ over whatever forcing bid you try for the rest of the auction, no kickback and 3♥ is minimum over jacoby. What is your full sequence?

[jallerton]

It depends on my methods. Can I find out about partner's shape after Jacoby? Can I show a very strong splinter myself?

[nigel_k]

Without any special agreement I would splinter and continue with 5♣ if partner signs off. He can bid slam if he wants to after that.

[Fluffy]

jallerton, on 2012-October-18, 14:28, said:

It depends on my methods. Can I find out about partner's shape after Jacoby? Can I show a very strong splinter myself?

You can find he doesn't have shortness, nothing else. No other splinter other than 3♠ but you can reopen 4♥ to show a strong one obviously.

[mike777]

1h=2nt
4h=P

Afraid pard has:

KQxx...Jxxxx..KQ..xx or something close.

pard should not have:

Axxx..Kxxxx...KQ...xx

will miss slam if pard has:

xxxx..AKxxx...Kx..xx

but pard cant have:

Qxxx...AKxxx...Kx...xx

[aguahombre]

Will splinter 3S and proceed toward slam if Pard does a serious or a non-serious. Will not move over the 4H rebid which should say "Yuk" (wasted spade cards or just plain crap). Our non-serious cue is a just-in-case bid, so I would expect the AK of hearts and the King-doubleton of diamonds to use it.

[mike777]

with a stiff I really prefer splinters to be limited to a 7 loser hand not 5-5.5 loser hand


frankly if I knew my pards did not open on crap I would bid again over 4h....after 2nt...

given the junk we open on...I want an out....

[aguahombre]

mike777, on 2012-October-18, 19:24, said:

with a stiff I really prefer splinters to be limited to a 7 loser hand not 5-5.5 loser hand

That is reasonable. But if the splinter will extract an agreed systemic reaction from partner, and we don't think J2N will get it done, and we are somewhere in between our normal expected splinter strength and the bottom range for bidding around the shortness ---we might as well get opener involved this way.

[bigbenvic]

I'd splinter in spades (3♠) and the bid 5♥ to focus pards on those 2 things in his hand. Hey pards I have the minors covered and am missing a spade control and some heart cards. The implication is that with 2 of the 3 controls in trumps and spades he bids 6.

With A♠ and AK♥ he would show extra's on the way to 6 as he could easily have a useful card in Spades or a minor.

It is presumed that I have a decent source of tricks to be doing this eg a running minor or buckets of high cards worried about 2 top losers and may have opened light.

[mike777]

bigbenvic, on 2012-October-18, 22:04, said:

I'd splinter in spades (3♠) and the bid 5♥ to focus pards on those 2 things in his hand. Hey pards I have the minors covered and am missing a spade control and some heart cards. The implication is that with 2 of the 3 controls in trumps and spades he bids 6.

With A♠ and AK♥ he would show extra's on the way to 6 as he could easily have a useful card in Spades or a minor.

It is presumed that I have a decent source of tricks to be doing this eg a running minor or buckets of high cards worried about 2 top losers and may have opened light.

so you go down in 5h...

not sure what problem you solve here that others did not...

[SteveMoe]

Buiding on Mike777 concerns, Kx AJxxx Kxxx xx begins to feel painful too. Here's one time when I want to bid 2♣ then 3♥ using my "Aces first, please partner" bidding card. Devilish that "Italian Style" control bids might get us too high.

1♥ - 2♣
2♥ - 3♥ hoping partner cannot cue ♠ - we want red suit values not black suit values.
if
3♠ - 3N serious, now hoping for 4♦
if
4♦ then 4♥ - hopefully expressing doubt about trump suit strength. Pard can decide to commit RKB...

FWIW I do not like 2N and see a splinter understating the power of my hand. Both approaches will likley induce RKB when the 5 level might be too high.

FWIW2: I'd like to find a trump suit quality check below RKB - any ideas??? (Am familiar with Ken R's appriach using 2N rebid by opener to deny good trumps. However am not sure how to handle the question in the 1M-2m-2M-3M auction other than the inference above).

[mike777]

SteveMoe, on 2012-October-18, 23:23, said:

Buiding on Mike777 concerns, Kx AJxxx Kxxx xx begins to feel painful too. Here's one time when I want to bid 2♣ then 3♥ using my "Aces first, please partner" bidding card. Devilish that "Italian Style" control bids might get us too high.

1♥ - 2♣
2♥ - 3♥ hoping partner cannot cue ♠ - we want red suit values not black suit values.
if
3♠ - 3N serious, now hoping for 4♦
if
4♦ then 4♥ - hopefully expressing doubt about trump suit strength. Pard can decide to commit RKB...

FWIW I do not like 2N and see a splinter understating the power of my hand. Both approaches will likley induce RKB when the 5 level might be too high.

FWIW2: I'd like to find a trump suit quality check below RKB - any ideas??? (Am familiar with Ken R's appriach using 2N rebid by opener to deny good trumps. However am not sure how to handle the question in the 1M-2m-2M-3M auction other than the inference above).

with your example I bid again 4h after 2nt....expect pard to pass.


the issue again is the borderline between 4h yuk hand and 4 of minor showing cue and decent but not good hand....

you need to draw some line between "decent" opener and less than "decent" opener...

I place 13 as decent and 12 as very borderline...note not ten hcp....
you may define as other.

both are less than good or extras hands

[lycier]

If after I will bid 2nt and pd rebid 4h,I must bid 5h to ask the quality of h trump so as to get a reasonable final contract in safety.

[Zelandakh]

I would bid Jacoby and show serious interest over partner's (presumed) 3♥ rebid. If partner cannot move beyond 4♥ now then I will respect it. After the hand I will ask partner if we could try using the 2♠ response as a "mini-splinter or strong splinter" raise, which is perfect for this type of hand.

[Fluffy]

I took an imaginative aproach on a weak field that kind of worked, but I wonder if this is a good idea on a decent one.

I bid 2♦ to avoid the most dangerous lead and proceed to bid 3♥ and blackwood and bid 6♥. I though I had flopped the nuts when partner had ♠KQJ ♥AK10xx ♦xxx ♣xx, specially given that LHO had a diamond overcall over 2♣. So far so good, but the gods didn't want me to get a top here, so ♣J109 was bare making any lead helpless. 9/12 pairs made slam.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Fluffy, on 2012-October-19, 04:18, said:

I took an imaginative aproach on a weak field that kind of worked, but I wonder if this is a good idea on a decent one.

I bid 2♦ to avoid the most dangerous lead and proceed to bid 3♥ and blackwood and bid 6♥.

Since you, as Responder, are going to "take charge" anyway after belatedly supporting ♥, and ♥ will be the established suit for RKC, your imaginative 2D ( 2/1 GF ) was worth a try .