[hrothgar]

Free and I got stung by the following hand

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South pass's in first seat and West opens 2♠

Advice on the prgression of the auction is more than welcome

[scoob]

i'm having trouble imagining anything other than double, 3♣, 3♦, all pass. but i'm also drunk

[inquiry]

I guess double got you into a spot or trouble. You didn't say, matchpoint or imps?

Negatives, your heart suit is not so good, you have the worse number of spades. With one more spade, and say a club less, you could pass to see if partner will reopen with something. But with two spades, partner is likely to have 2 or 3 spades himself, so pass is no good. Also 2NT is no good. This leaves 3♥ and double. To be honest with you, I think 3♥ on this suit is just plain wacky, so by process of elimination, I double, being worried that I might get us too high.

Ok, what can happen.

1) PArtner can pass, in which case we likley get rich.
2) PArtner can bid 3 ♣ (as passed hand, 4♣ he can't bid. I gulp and pass
3) Partner can bid 3♦ - alright, I pass a little happier
4) PArtner can bid 3♥. Grit my teeth and bid 4♥, because with hearts and yuck I think he will bid 2NT first then correct to 3♥ (lebehnshol).
5) PArtner can bid 2NT (lebenshol), and I will grin and bear it and bid 3♣ to see what kind of bad hand parnter has (hopefully diamonds or hearts).

So I double and await my partner's pleasure... I do have silent respect for pass. With misho I could bid 3♦ here to show diamonds and hearts over 2♠ (his meta defense over preempts)... but that is to weird to discuss in this thread. I am a diamond short for meta 3♦, but I have EXCELLENT diamonds and we make this bid on this kind of hand. 3♦ meta only says ♦ plus hearts, not how many, so having five ♥ is not horrible.

[paulg]

I guess you played in 3♣ or 3♥ depending on how North responded to a Lebensohl 2NT.

Not an easy hand.

p

[Fluffy]

ps- 2♠-3♥-ps
ps-

[pclayton]

Honestly, I would bid 3♥. I can't handle the continuations after a double; to me, a pull of 3♥ over 2N shows a better hand than what I have. I don't like letting pard play a 4-2 club fit either.

If this is a 1♠ opener, a 2♥ call would be rather routine.

3♥ doesn't seem to play too badly on the actual layout. It looks like I just need to find the Q or 10 ♥ with the weak 2 bidder.

3♥ works horribly if partner has a stiff heart and we play the wrong partial. But give partner ♥ Qxx and the A♣, and this is the only way you are sniffing at 4♥.

[inquiry]

pclayton, on Nov 24 2004, 05:54 PM, said:

Honestly, I would bid 3♥. I can't handle the continuations after a double; to me, a pull of 3♥ over 2N shows a better hand than what I have. I don't like letting pard play a 4-2 club fit either.

If this is a 1♠ opener, a 2♥ call would be rather routine.

3♥ doesn't seem to play too badly on the actual layout. It looks like I just need to find the Q or 10 ♥ with the weak 2 bidder.

3♥ works horribly if partner has a stiff heart and we play the wrong partial. But give partner ♥ Qxx and the A♣, and this is the only way you are sniffing at 4♥.

You could start playing equal level conversion and pull 3♣ (after your double) to 3♦. But if I double, an dpartner bids 3♣, i would pass, and if I double and partner bids 2NT I wull bid 3♣ prepared to play 3♣ if he passes. If someone wascks 3♣, I will then begin the equal level conversion and wishing I had the guts to pass 2♠.

Oh wel.... that must be it, playing in 4-2 fit. I have done worse.

Ben

[mike777]

Would double and after lebensohl end up in 3c undoubled, if they double will run to 3d.

[Antoine Fourrière]

3♥ looks pretty obvious to me. Do you want to hear 4/5♣ from South if you double and East raises to 3/4♠?

[the hog]

I'd bid 3H Richard. Playing equal level conversion you could double.

[HeartA]

Double with Lebensohl, 3H without.

[Free]

HeartA, on Nov 25 2004, 12:37 AM, said:

Double with Lebensohl, 3H without.

And what do you do after Dbl and your partner bids 2NT as lebensohl?

[nikos59]

Unless I am missing something there is neither
vulnerability nor form of scoring.
Ironically, both would influence my choice.

nikos

[whereagles]

Free, on Nov 25 2004, 08:08 AM, said:

HeartA, on Nov 25 2004, 12:37 AM, said:

Double with Lebensohl, 3H without.

And what do you do after Dbl and your partner bids 2NT as lebensohl?

You bid 3D playing "equal level conversion"

[Chamaco]

whereagles, on Nov 25 2004, 09:24 AM, said:

You bid 3D playing "equal level conversion"

Can you play Equal Level Conversion in this Lebensohl sequence ?
I thought they were incompatible after double of a weak 2 ?

[whereagles]

Hum.. maybe not. The 3D bid would simply mean: "I don't want you to pass 3C, a suit which I cannot play in. So please pick a red suit instead, ok? thx." The GOSH (good one-suited hand) in diamonds would be at the 4-level.

I'm growing fonder of the "equal-level correction" gadget, but I where I live it is virtually not used.

[jdulmage]

Bid 3♥ and it will pass out. I don't see any other choice here.