[inquiry]

whereagles, on Nov 24 2004, 06:45 AM, said:

Allright, so are the hands:

Scoring: IMP

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Me and pard produced the following auction:

1♥ 3NT
4♣ 4♥
5♦ 6♦
6♥ pass

Duly made. I bid 5♦ intending to show a void (not voidwood, though). Pard realized correctly the spade ace was the key, and bid 6♦, just in case I meant 5♦ as a 3rd suit. From pard's failure to bid 5♠, I knew 6♥ was the limit. A bit primitive, I agree, but effective

Ok if matchpoints, at imps, 6♣ is slightly better. Did your partner really think you bid this way with 0-5-4-4 and were suggesting diamonds as a place to play?

Voidwood auction...
5♦ - 5♠ <--- one or four
6♣ - Pass <--- 6♣ pick a slam

Like others, I am not overjoyed with the initial 3NT response. I don't object as strongly due to the four card major, that is a flaw, but not a fatal one. But with no club stopper and a side four card major, that is a double flaw for the leap to 3NT. There must be a better bid when a hand has two flaws for the bid choosen.

[Fluffy]

inquiry, on Nov 23 2004, 03:25 PM, said:

1) you can assume that 4♥, by passing 4♦ denied diamond ace or else you would have gotten a cue-bid on the way to 4♥, then you can use regular blackwood. (this would be a nebulous cue-bid as we haven't formally agreed trumps.

4♦ would had agreed ♣ as fit so you don´t really have a clue if he has ♦A.

[inquiry]

Fluffy, on Nov 24 2004, 10:14 AM, said:

inquiry, on Nov 23 2004, 03:25 PM, said:

1) you can assume that 4♥, by passing 4♦ denied diamond ace or else you would have gotten a cue-bid on the way to 4♥, then you can use regular blackwood.  (this would be a nebulous cue-bid as we haven't formally agreed trumps.

4♦ would had agreed ♣ as fit so you don´t really have a clue if he has ♦A.

Well.. good to see you have firm agreement on what 4♦ is. I think we all agree it is not to play. The options are

1) Cue bid with fit for one of the two suits shown by opener.
2) Some will have played 4♣ as gerber, so this is no aces. We can forget about those guys as that seems a non-starter here.
3) Some will play it as cue-bid with only heart fit
4) Some will play it as cue-bid as only club fit
5) Some will play it as last train, suggesting good values for auction so far.

You seem to fall into category 4. I prefer category 5, but if not playing that, I play it as is a cue-bid with unspecified support for one of partners suits.

[whereagles]

The 1M-3NT sequence is rare, and opener wanting to go on after it is even rarer. Therefore it is not surprising that me and pard didn't have any agreements on how to proceed above 3NT Still, the 4C bid is obviously natural and slam-bound.

[joker_gib]

whereagles, on Nov 24 2004, 09:38 AM, said:

The 1M-3NT sequence is rare

It will be far less rare if you bid it on 1♥ with four cards in ♠ lol

[whereagles]

Well, I'm not a fundamentalist. Pard may do whatever he pleases, provided he takes responsibility for his system "escapades"

[joker_gib]

It's not really the kind of "escapades" I like but OK ....

[sceptic]

what is wrong with 1 heart open and pard bidding 1 spade with 4 then going on from there, 1 spade wont get passed out as it is an unlimited bid?

[whereagles]

There's nothing wrong with starting with 1♠. Skipping spades does risk losing a 4-4 fit but leaves opps to make a blind lead if 1♥-3NT is passed out. To bid spades or not is therefore a tactical option.

[joker_gib]

Not bidding ♠ here for me is a crime ! Tactic or not tactic !

[luis]

I open a mundane 1♥, I we'll have a better problem with this hand later in the auction.

Monster two suiter? You have no idea, at the club last night my mother (ana) received ♠KJTxxxx ♥AKQxxx ♦- ♣-
And I started the bidding with 1♥ :-) too good we were playing a system where she was able to find the spade ace and then bid 7♥. West doubled with two aces with an expression as saying "these poor dudes have no idea" and after the lead he was -2240 in 7♥xx without a single trick played

I held Ax, Jxxx, Kxxx, Kxx