[Poky]

MP. All vul.

1♠ - Dbl - Pa - 2♥
3♣ - 3♥ - 3♠ - ???

♠xx
♥1098xx
♦A10xx
♣xx

What you bid?
What you bid playing IMPs instead of MPs?
What you bid if RHO bids 4♣ instead of 3♠ (on MPs)?

[inquiry]

Since this is an advanced thread, I will share with you a trick.

Here, over 3♣ if partner was interested in game, he would bid 3♦. Yes, I know you guys will be telling me about how 3♦ is a monster one suiter to good to risk a 2♦ overcall. To this I say Bull. This is a lonely cue-bid (think of is as last train for game try). There is no room left to invite game other than by bidding 3♦. 3♥ here is strongly competitive (since you could be broke), but even so, you really have nothing to shout about opposite a competitive 3♥ bid.

So, I pass at MP, I pass at imps, and if RHO bid 4♣ I pass too.

Ben

[Chamaco]

I passed too.
All signs (at any form of scoring) suggest passing:
- pard has made a competitive bid and we are minimum in hcp
- if we want to account for shape, LOTT says we probably should not bid at 4 level (9 trumps, opps probably have 9 trumps, maybe 10 but still borderline)
- in any case if we bid 4H we may just be pushing them into a making game; the 3 and 4 level belong to opps in this case, I won't give them the fielder's choice

[Free]

Pass, in all forms of scoring!

[joker_gib]

Pass also !

The only thing i did not promise is my 5th ♥ but I'm definitely too weak to bid on a competitive bid of my partner !

[flytoox]

dbl black doubleton is a big minus. Otherwise I would bid 4H.

Case could be made for dbl here. You have one ace and pd raised you to 3H, knowing you could have nothing.

[mike777]

What would:

1s=x=p=3h show versus 1s=x=p=2s versus 1s=x=p=2h?

[HeartA]

♦A and 5th ♥ are the good extras, I voted for 4♥. Doubleton in ♠ is a drawback, doubleton in ♣ is not. Partner should have something in ♣ for the Double.

[HeartA]

mike777, on Nov 22 2004, 01:32 PM, said:

What would:

1s=x=p=3h show versus 1s=x=p=2s versus 1s=x=p=2h?

1S=X=p=3H: invitational; 1S=X=P=2S, game forcing (opening value). 1S=x=P=2H, could be nothing.

[pclayton]

Partner should have some extras to take a call at the 3 level after my 1 level bid showed nothing. I'm about as middle of the road for my 1♥ call as I can imagine. The presumed side diamond fit is nice, but I hate my black xx's, although clubs rate to be well placed for us.

This is really a strange auction. RHO passes over the double and then takes a free call over pard's 3♥?

It looks like we are making 3♥, so I want to double this in the worst kind of way, but I'll win the event on another board (OK, if its one of these 12 board ACBL pedal-to-the-metal things, I'll double).

Makes no difference if I get a 4♣ on my right; frankly, I'm less inclined to act.

[tysen2k]

Poky, on Nov 22 2004, 09:47 AM, said:

MP. All vul.

1♠ - Dbl - Pa - 2♥
3♣ - 3♥ - 3♠ - ???

One thing is bothering me a little about this. What kind of a hand could RHO have to pass the first time and then compete in spades after partner competes at the 3-level?

[Edit]: Looks like pclayton had the same thought and posted at the same time...

[Fluffy]

pass, pass and pass, partner hasn´t invited at all, even if he did pass is correct.

[flytoox]

pclayton, on Nov 22 2004, 09:29 PM, said:

Partner should have some extras to take a call at the 3 level after my 1 level bid showed nothing. I'm about as middle of the road for my 1♥ call as I can imagine. The presumed side diamond fit is nice, but I hate my black xx's, although clubs rate to be well placed for us.

This is really a strange auction. RHO passes over the double and then takes a free call over pard's 3♥?

It looks like we are making 3♥, so I want to double this in the worst kind of way, but I'll win the event on another board (OK, if its one of these 12 board ACBL pedal-to-the-metal things, I'll double).

Makes no difference if I get a 4♣ on my right; frankly, I'm less inclined to act.

RHo could even have 4card spade but passed, without high card or good shape. Pd rates to have spade doubleton too.

[Antoine Fourrière]

4♥. Either 3♠ or 4♥ rates to make on a total trick basis, and the opponents may bid one more. I'm surprised by the number of passers.
I would pass 4♣.

[the hog]

Pass. this is the sort of auction you see not infrequently against weak opponents. Pass followed by 3S is appalling bidding; what was he hoping - that you get to play 1S doubled?

I don't have a great hand, and afaiac partner is merely raising the ante with 3H.

[luke warm]

Poky, on Nov 22 2004, 04:47 PM, said:

MP. All vul.

1♠ - Dbl - Pa - 2♥
3♣ - 3♥ - 3♠ - ???

♠xx
♥1098xx
♦A10xx
♣xx

What you bid?
What you bid playing IMPs instead of MPs?
What you bid if RHO bids 4♣ instead of 3♠ (on MPs)?

i think the hand belongs to opener and partner... i think my rho has 3 or 4 spades and is about the same strength as me.. give him 3 spades else he might jump if weak with 4

it doesn't much matter, my partner can't have a monster else he'd have bid something other than 3♥.. my thinking is, opener isn't through.. nothing i bid will matter, short of 5 or 6♥, and there's no way i'm doing that... i'll pass and hope they do too

mike777 wrote:
"What would:

1s=x=p=3h show versus 1s=x=p=2s versus 1s=x=p=2h?"

i'd play 3h as 9-11 with 5+ hearts
i'd play 2s as game force somewhere, guess i'll find out where in a sec
i'd play 2h as "you told me to bid, i've bid"