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ATB, slam off the AK of clubs

#21 User is offline   gszes 

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Posted 2012-September-12, 10:27

1d (1s) x
2d
2s forcing but not game forcing
2n
3d GF (with invite 3d over 2d)
3n club stop (since p has established GF odds are strongly against lho being able to attack clubs effectively
and this allows us to use 3s with a hand that has only a partial club stop.
4h cue bid slam search (denies club cue)
4n no club control must sign off(starting to regret bidding 3n vs 3s):)
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Posted 2012-September-12, 17:29

I fault S almost entirely.

I accept the auction to 3, altho I see 4 rather than 2 as acceptable as an alternative.

I fail to see the attraction to 4. I don't like it as a void and even less as the partnership meaning of could be a stiff. Given the methods available, N was now endplayed in the bidding. I don't like 4N, but I suspect that N didn't like it either and chose it because he had to either bid 5 or keycard, and he (reasonably, imo) read more into S's slam try than was warranted...he assumed 1st or second round control in both blacks.

As for S, he had no reason to bid 4 given his club holding. Wtf was wrong with 3? Doesn't it both show the spade A (which 2N didn't even imply) while, and this is the key, allowing N the chance to bid the club control that S definitely knew would be important?

I can see an argument that N should devalue his hand opposite short hearts, but that is too conservative even for me.....surely opener understood that AKxx in spades had become less, not more, valuable on the auction? There was no chance that the xx could ever 'grow up'...of course they can be ruffed but they won't ever find combining honours across the table, as was possible when the auction began. And while I love slam tries, the splinter should show a 'useful' minimum (or better, according to style) and not just 'any hand with shortness'. It is, after all, a try for slam! When we have an alternate try that is far cheaper and that gets out of partner's way in the auction, it is very bad to splinter with a piece of crap.

one last note: as I have stated before, my view, for what it's worth, is that one's first cue should not be shortness unless unavoidable, hence 3 rather than 3.
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Posted 2012-September-13, 00:09

You are a bit late to the show mikeh, but it is never too late to enrich the discussion with a well placed wtf.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-September-13, 02:37

fwiw I thought 3s easy never jump 4h.
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Posted 2012-September-13, 02:40

granted 4h over 3d will confuse the issue.
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Posted 2012-September-13, 06:49

If 3 guaranteed 4 cards in diamonds I think 4 would be very good, AKxx looks like 4 tricks and 10 trumps reduce the chances of trump loser, this 6-4 seems to fit very well. However 3 does not guarantee 4, and opposite something like a strong 3433 this hand is horrible.
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