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#1 User is offline   yin970902 

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Posted 2012-August-20, 22:47

all play 2/1.

8
A1083
K
AKQ9872

after RHO's 1 opening-bid;
1--Double--2--Pass
pass--3

Here,do you think 3-overbid is an expert bidding?
and 3 is a novice bidding?

Please give your advice.

1--2--2--Pass
pass--3
This process is reasonable?
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Posted 2012-August-21, 02:16

I am not so happy with double followed by 3. Not so much because I don't believe in 3nt if partner bids it. Mostly because if partner bids 4 I will have to bid 5. Which might not be such a bad contract but partner will never take me for such a discrepancy between the minors so he might well keep bidding diamonds.

So if you start with double you really have to bid clubs next.

Your second approach would be my preference.
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Posted 2012-August-21, 02:19

Novice.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-August-21, 08:33

I nominate Han as QC for the Expert Forum.
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Posted 2012-August-21, 08:40

Seconded
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
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Posted 2012-August-21, 10:14

I don't know what QC stands for but it sounds important. I'll take it!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-August-21, 10:15

Qualification Committee? Chair of something?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-August-21, 10:18

Quality control.
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Posted 2012-August-21, 10:25

Quotable Curmudgeon
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Posted 2012-August-21, 14:04

So what sort of hand would bid 3 on the given auction? And how would people bid with the actual hand?
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Posted 2012-August-21, 17:02

I would bid 2C, I am not so worried that this will be passed out.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-August-22, 04:17

3 is "Hasn't read Why you lose at bridge"-bidding.
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Posted 2012-August-23, 08:26

you are not taking into consideration that x followed by 3c
shows a very strong hand. Not at all dissimilar from the hand
you are holding. If p cannot move over your 3c follow up your
sides chances of missing game are remote. If your dia K were
the Dia A then a belated 3s would be ok because all you need
is a spade stop for 3n. The dia K means not only do you need a
spade stop from p but dia help as well that is a lot to wish for. Bid
3c and trust that with a reasonable 6 count p will be able to find 3n.
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Posted 2012-August-24, 06:19

Start bidding your suits.

You have a running club suit, and partner still has no idea, that you have such a suit.

I dont mind X, but after that, bidd clubs.

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Posted 2012-September-20, 07:25

View PostAntrax, on 2012-August-21, 10:18, said:

Quality control.

This is funny because I read QC as Queen's Council (that's a posh barrister for non-English readers) here even though I use QC as Quality Control (almost) every day in my work. I think I prefer Expert Forum Sheriff though, as suggested in the other thread; hopefully Han takes on the title instead of Under Bidder B-) .
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Posted 2012-September-20, 08:02

If you want to bid 3 on the second round, why not just bid it on the first round, which will still get you to 3NT if partner has a stop, while avoiding the problem Helene identifies if he doesn't that you will never convince partner what sort of hand you have?
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Posted 2012-September-20, 17:16

I think doubling is reasonable, but then I would definitely bid 3C
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Posted 2012-September-20, 19:01

View Posthan, on 2012-August-21, 17:02, said:

I would bid 2C, I am not so worried that this will be passed out.

This. Helene's concern about partner bidding diamonds is relevant, but we disagree about the first action; if we double and then later bid clubs as a non-jump, CHO will think our doubt about strain includes a few diamonds.
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