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Ways to Show Red Suits What's the difference?

#1 User is offline   awm 

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Posted 2012-August-25, 18:12

What's the difference between the following sequences for your partnership; in all cases opponents open 1:

(1) - 2 Michaels (holding the reds)
(1) - 2 - (Pass) - Pass - (2) - 3
(1) - 2 - (Pass) - Pass - (2) - Dbl, removing a 3 advance from partner to 3
(1) - 2 - (Pass) - Pass - (2) - 2NT, removing a 3 advance from partner to 3

It seems that all three of these imply hearts and diamonds; the question is what you would expect in terms of strength and shape for each sequence.
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Posted 2012-August-25, 18:16

First shows 5-5.

The second shows 6-4 or 6-5.

The third shows 6-4 but more HCP (not sure this exists here, but there are similar auctions).

I don't know what 2NT shows here. I thought it would show tricks, which would make this auction impossible. If you are saying that 2NT is takeout, perhaps it shows a 0-6-5-2.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-August-25, 18:47

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Posted 2012-August-25, 18:48

(1♠) - 2♥ - (Pass) - Pass - (2♠) - 3♦ = lead D
(1♠) - 2♥ - (Pass) - Pass - (2♠) - Dbl, removing a 3♣ advance from partner to 3♦ = I doenst bother me to play 2S dbled.
(1♠) - 2♥ - (Pass) - Pass - (2♠) - 2NT, removing a 3♣ advance from partner to 3♦ = lead H
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Posted 2012-August-25, 19:15

After 2H, reopen 2NT for me is clubs, so conversion to 3D is not now diamonds but rather strong with shortness in diamonds.
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Posted 2012-August-26, 03:52

Most people here (where I live) like split range Michaels so 2nd is the middle range for them.
I think 3rd would be interpreted as very strong 6-4 hand and 4th would be interpreted as not so strong 6-4 hand which wanted to compete nevertheless.

I expect it to be almost universal understanding among Polish players who think about those things. I am not a fan of it (I think always overcalling with a 2 suiter bid showing two suits is better if we have given suits) but that's how things are here.
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Posted 2012-August-27, 20:02

View Postbluecalm, on 2012-August-26, 03:52, said:

Most people here (where I live) like split range Michaels so 2nd is the middle range for them.
I think 3rd would be interpreted as very strong 6-4 hand and 4th would be interpreted as not so strong 6-4 hand which wanted to compete nevertheless.



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