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What was worse 4♣ or 5♠?
West leads the ♥10, it's MP's, how do you play?
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Posted 2012-August-16, 23:14
What was worse 4♣ or 5♠?
West leads the ♥10, it's MP's, how do you play?
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2012-August-17, 06:43
With such weak trumps, 5♠ is worse IMO. North should respect partner's signoff.
The ♥T looks like a singleton, so I hop up with the ace, ruff a club, and take a trump hook. I will need a decent trump position but the chances aren't too bad.
I guess that pays off to ♥Tx though.
The ♥T looks like a singleton, so I hop up with the ace, ruff a club, and take a trump hook. I will need a decent trump position but the chances aren't too bad.
I guess that pays off to ♥Tx though.
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Posted 2012-August-17, 07:14
3S is ugly for me - probably because I play 4cM - but even in 5cM, doesn't the North hand look like a textbook negative X? Then we play the sensible 4H or 4S. On the given auction 4C is an overbid (not so bad at MPs). 5S is... wtf.
Anyway, billw55's line looks good to me with the exception of the fact that West might well now give his partner a club ruff. Perhaps one should play the spade finesse first, hoping for Hxx with West and Hx with East (or East holding KQx) so that one can draw two rounds of trumps and use dummy's last spade for the club ruff? Seems a bit safer.
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Anyway, billw55's line looks good to me with the exception of the fact that West might well now give his partner a club ruff. Perhaps one should play the spade finesse first, hoping for Hxx with West and Hx with East (or East holding KQx) so that one can draw two rounds of trumps and use dummy's last spade for the club ruff? Seems a bit safer.
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Posted 2012-August-17, 08:34
4C was worse. North has 2 bullets and a stiff club. How much more could he have and still bid only 3S?
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Posted 2012-August-17, 09:53
I think 4♣ is bad, South doesn't have a slam try opposite a hand that can only invite (or possibly just compete!).
I'd guess the lead is a stiff, I'll pop A and try a spade finesse. If righty splits I'll ruff a club before playing my second round of spades. Sucks if this lead is a doubleton.
I don't want to ruff a round of clubs first cause if LHO has Hx in spades he returns his other spade and now we're down on whatever heart holding he had. I'm not worried about an overruff cause on most lines where RHO can overruff a club we're down no matter what we do.
I guess we can cater to a layout where 4♠ goes down where we can hold our unders to 1 but I don't see why that layout is more likely than one where 5♠ is making.
I'd guess the lead is a stiff, I'll pop A and try a spade finesse. If righty splits I'll ruff a club before playing my second round of spades. Sucks if this lead is a doubleton.
I don't want to ruff a round of clubs first cause if LHO has Hx in spades he returns his other spade and now we're down on whatever heart holding he had. I'm not worried about an overruff cause on most lines where RHO can overruff a club we're down no matter what we do.
I guess we can cater to a layout where 4♠ goes down where we can hold our unders to 1 but I don't see why that layout is more likely than one where 5♠ is making.
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Posted 2012-August-17, 10:35
quiddity, on 2012-August-17, 08:34, said:
4C was worse. North has 2 bullets and a stiff club. How much more could he have and still bid only 3S?
I agree. It should have MUCH better or longer trumps in it instead of the club K.
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Posted 2012-August-20, 23:39
South is about a K shy of having enough for a slam try. So 4 ♣ is the worst call.
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Posted 2012-August-21, 01:05
4♣ is simply wrong. I can't think of any North hand which makes slam good.
In the play, we have to decide whether West has a singleton heart, or ♥10x plus a spade honour. A singleton seems more likely, because 10x is an unattractive lead. Also, East didn't double 4♦ That suggests that West has something in diamonds, which gives him less room for hearts. Hence I'd play ♥A at trick one, then take two spade finesses, remembering to ruff a club in dummy before drawing the last trump.
In the play, we have to decide whether West has a singleton heart, or ♥10x plus a spade honour. A singleton seems more likely, because 10x is an unattractive lead. Also, East didn't double 4♦ That suggests that West has something in diamonds, which gives him less room for hearts. Hence I'd play ♥A at trick one, then take two spade finesses, remembering to ruff a club in dummy before drawing the last trump.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-August-21, 05:05
4♣ is ridiculous
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