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#1 User is offline   bftboy 

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Posted 2012-July-31, 11:54



Imps. What is the best way to reach the slam after 1 and 2? I'm sure you've noticed that the slam is in serious trouble if two rounds of are led, and in fact there was no lie that would allow it to be made, absent a discarding error. Nevertheless, we probably want to be in this one, don't we??
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Posted 2012-July-31, 12:33

For me, a likely sequence would be:

1S-2H
2S-3H
4C-4D
4S-5C
6H

It's not completely without play after 2 rounds of hearts. The king of spades could be doubleton. Also suppose West holds the king of spades, and only East guards clubs (QJT or having 6 of them). Then you have a non simultaneous double squeeze:



Declarer plays a club to the ace. West can't afford to discard a spade, so comes down to 2 diamonds. Then the ace of spades squeezes East.
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Posted 2012-July-31, 23:35

I'd bid it something like this.

1S-2H
2S-3H
4C-4D
4NT-(whatever response you have for odd KC with a void - probably a 6H call)

So, we get to 6H. You can make this if you realize that even a 4-0 trump break won't doom you barring something really unusual. So, use those KQ of hearts to ruff your minors out if needed.
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Posted 2012-August-01, 08:52

Actually I don't think the slam is very hard to bid, and of course it is nothing to make if they don't lead two rounds of to start. That alone means the slam should probably be bid. But there is a pretty good chance that good defenders will lead trumps, especially if the bidding pinpoints that lead. On the actual hand there wasn't a lucky layout that would allow it to be made after that start. So I guess I am ambivalent about whether it should be bid after all.
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Posted 2012-August-01, 10:01

View Postkeylime, on 2012-July-31, 23:35, said:

I'd bid it something like this.

1S-2H
2S-3H
4C-4D
4NT-(whatever response you have for odd KC with a void - probably a 6H call)



So would I but I think one should only show useful voids. A void in partner's suit is rarely useful. Hence the response should be 5C/5D depending on which shows 1 KC. North still goes to slam with his 3 KC + trump Q, of course.

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Posted 2012-August-01, 10:43

Not sure I'd do it:
1S - 1NT!
2S - 3H
4H - 4NT
5C ( 0/3 ) - 6H ( assuming Q or enough length )
........... - 5D ( Q-ask )
5NT ( Q but no outside K ) - 6H

This post has been edited by TWO4BRIDGE: 2012-August-01, 11:19

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Posted 2012-August-01, 22:21

View Postbftboy, on 2012-August-01, 08:52, said:

Actually I don't think the slam is very hard to bid, and of course it is nothing to make if they don't lead two rounds of to start. That alone means the slam should probably be bid. But there is a pretty good chance that good defenders will lead trumps, especially if the bidding pinpoints that lead. On the actual hand there wasn't a lucky layout that would allow it to be made after that start. So I guess I am ambivalent about whether it should be bid after all.


The fact that the slam goes down, should not in any way influence your assessment wether its a good slam to be in. In fact if you dont go down in slams thats a very bad sign.....as long as you fail in less than 50% of them :)

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