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Competitive auction with clubs

Poll: Competitive auction with clubs (16 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Pass (4 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. Double (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 4 Clubs (3 votes [18.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  4. 5 Clubs (9 votes [56.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.25%

  5. Something else (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   Quartic 

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Posted 2012-June-29, 17:21



Playing Acol (4cM, weak NT), so you've shown either 5+ clubs or a balanced 15+ with 4 clubs (or a 4441 with 4 clubs).

Partner has at least 4 card club support, and probably less than 9 points.

Matchpoints. Also interested if the answer is different at teams.
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Posted 2012-June-29, 17:48

Both forms of scoring I bid 5♣, partner is unlikely to be broke at this vul and Axxxx and out offers reasonable chances, Kxxxx and out and I may have no defence to 4♥ and be close to making.

Will partner really have Kxxx and out at this vul, I don't think so ?

Did partner have 2♣ available as a weaker raise or was it still inverted over the overcall ? Is 2N by a passed hand natural or some other sort of raise ? Is 2♥ another raise ? by a passed hand it seems you should know more than just <=9.
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Posted 2012-June-29, 17:59

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-June-29, 17:48, said:

Both forms of scoring I bid 5♣, partner is unlikely to be broke at this vul and Axxxx and out offers reasonable chances, Kxxxx and out and I may have no defence to 4♥ and be close to making.

Will partner really have Kxxx and out at this vul, I don't think so ?

Did partner have 2♣ available as a weaker raise or was it still inverted over the overcall ? Is 2N by a passed hand natural or some other sort of raise ? Is 2♥ another raise ? by a passed hand it seems you should know more than just <=9.


2♣ is a weaker raise, 2♥ is stronger. I would probably take 2NT as another good raise, but I don't remember if we've discussed it.
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Posted 2012-June-29, 22:04

I'm afraid of pushing them into a making game so I'll pass for now...
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Posted 2012-June-29, 22:11

5♣ in a heartbeat - all forms of scoring. Those 4 baby hearts never looked better.
Cyberyeti summed it up well. I either have a chance at making 5♣ or 4♥ is making.
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Posted 2012-July-01, 02:48

At the table I also bid 5♣. Unfortunately the full hand was:



Partner's two hearts were a nasty surprise.
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Posted 2012-July-01, 03:03

View PostQuartic, on 2012-July-01, 02:48, said:

At the table I also bid 5♣. Unfortunately the full hand was:



Partner's two hearts were a nasty surprise.


So is the rest of partner's hand.
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Posted 2012-July-01, 13:39

Partner has at least 4 ♣, but is very unlikely to have more than 1 ♥. From your hand, it looks like a ♥ loser, a ♠ loser, and possible a ♣ loser at most. So even VUL vs not, I'd bid 5 ♣ at any kind of scoring. I'm also DBLing 5 ♥ if the opponents bid it.
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