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What's your plan for this strong hand?

#21 User is offline   mikl_plkcc 

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Posted 2012-June-26, 01:49

100% 1♣

I never open 2NT with this because it will go wrong when partner has a misfitting hand!

I have strict rules on opening NT:
No voids and singletons (as usual);
No 5-card majors;
No good 5-card minors (such as AKJxx);
No two unstopped suits.
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Posted 2012-June-26, 02:52

View Postmikl_plkcc, on 2012-June-26, 01:49, said:

I have strict rules on opening NT:
No voids and singletons (as usual);
No 5-card majors;
No good 5-card minors (such as AKJxx);
No two unstopped suits.


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Posted 2012-June-26, 06:39

View Posthrothgar, on 2012-June-26, 02:52, said:

Welcome to 1953!


What's more -- I'd love to see the auction with AKQ / 5432 / AK2 / 432 after 1C-1S.
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Posted 2012-June-26, 06:57

its not all strictly about hcp sometimes you can look at a hand and see what you need
this had requires p to have around 11 for 5 of a minor but only around 6 for 3n or 4M
it seems perfectly reasonable to open this hand 1c and if p bids bid 3n which should
describe this hand perfectly allowing opener to rebid their 6+ card major if they have one.

If p is broke i will be a ton happier in 1c than any number of nt.

i choose 1c
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Posted 2012-June-26, 07:42

I don't know whether I'd reverse, I think partner would interpret that as showing 4♦s. I would probably rebid 2NT.
My partner and I considered using the opening range 18-19 for 2NT and opening 20-22 with multi 2♦.
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Posted 2012-June-26, 09:34

IMO 2N = 10, 1♣ and 2N = 6, 2♣ and 2N = 4, Double = 2, Pass = 1.
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Posted 2012-June-26, 10:13

View PostPhil, on 2012-June-26, 09:34, said:

IMO 2N = 10, 1♣ and 2N = 6, 2♣ and 2N = 4, Double = 2, Pass = 1.

:rolleyes: Pass should be higher than double, since the TD won't get involved.
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Posted 2012-June-26, 21:54

View Postmikl_plkcc, on 2012-June-26, 01:49, said:

I never open 2NT with this because it will go wrong when partner has a misfitting hand!

Obviously you don't open 2NT with this, that would be plain daft.
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Posted 2012-June-27, 22:22

What about 1C followed by a jump to 3NT?
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Posted 2012-June-27, 23:37

I would go 1♣ - 3♣ if it is forcing, but, if 3♣ is not forcing, the system is essentially unplayable with this hand.

All my notrump runout systems assume that there cannot be two doubletons in the opener's hand, and all my constructive bidding systems assume that there cannot be a five-card major in the opener's hand. If I open this 2NT, LHO doubles, partner applies the runout system and lands with 6 trumps only, then we will be in a even more trouble.

View Postwyman, on 2012-June-26, 06:39, said:

What's more -- I'd love to see the auction with AKQ / 5432 / AK2 / 432 after 1C-1S.


I would reverse into 2♥.

P.S. I said nonsense before, picking up this, I would likely to open 1NT.
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Posted 2012-June-28, 01:04

View Postmikl_plkcc, on 2012-June-27, 23:37, said:

I would reverse into 2♥.


So, you've now taken two strong bids on your balanced 17 count, and the highest card in your hand that you've shown is a 5? And all this to avoid "distorting" your hand?
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Posted 2012-June-28, 10:27

View Postfuburules3, on 2012-June-27, 22:22, said:

What about 1C followed by a jump to 3NT?


This is probably the best option, if you decide to open 1♣.
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Posted 2012-June-28, 13:35

omg 2N 2N 2N 2N
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Posted 2012-June-28, 13:37

Qx Qx!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 2012-June-29, 03:06

I now find that the "stopper" rule of opening 1NT is flawed, but I will still adhere to all other strict rules for opening 1NT:

No voids and singletons (as usual);
No 5-card majors;
No good 5-card minors (such as AKJxx);
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Posted 2012-June-29, 03:09

Welcome to 1963!
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Posted 2012-June-29, 22:44

View PostZelandakh, on 2012-June-29, 03:09, said:

Welcome to 1963!


That is unfair. This must be 1964 at least!
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Posted 2012-July-01, 18:58

View Postmikl_plkcc, on 2012-June-29, 03:06, said:

I now find that the "stopper" rule of opening 1NT is flawed, but I will still adhere to all other strict rules for opening 1NT:

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View Postmikl_plkcc, on 2012-June-29, 03:06, said:

No good 5-card minors (such as AKJxx);

Really you must open 1NT with a 5332 with a 5-card minor if it's in range, whatever the minor looks like. This has been proven to be better. Trust me, I'm a doctor.
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Posted 2012-July-02, 21:51

View PostStatto, on 2012-July-01, 18:58, said:

Really you must open 1NT with a 5332 with a 5-card minor if it's in range, whatever the minor looks like. This has been proven to be better. Trust me, I'm a doctor.


I don't know if my system is flawed, but about 8 out of 10 3NT contracts go down in my partnership (usually due to a suit run by the opponents), so I avoid 3NT whenever possible.
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Posted 2012-July-03, 00:19

View Postmikl_plkcc, on 2012-July-02, 21:51, said:

I don't know if my system is flawed, but about 8 out of 10 3NT contracts go down in my partnership (usually due to a suit run by the opponents), so I avoid 3NT whenever possible.


8/10 Lol. On what do you bid 3NT? Peronally I try to bid 3NT as often as i can.
Also I am curious as to how you bid:

Kx
AKxxx
Kx
Kxx

1H 1NT
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2NT is terrible as you often end up in a non making contract when the field is in 1NT

1H 1S
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