[dboxley]

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Is this hand worth a reverse? This is not a regular partnership and have no agreement about a 3H rebid by opener.

Maybe this should be in another forum but I am interested in what the modern expert approach is.

[hrothgar]

dboxley, on 2012-June-13, 12:05, said:

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Is this hand worth a reverse? This is not a regular partnership and have no agreement about a 3H rebid by opener.

Maybe this should be in another forum but I am interested in what the modern expert approach is.

I would never even consider a reverse with this hand (admitted, I am one of a dwindling number of people who prefer relatively strong reverses)

[aguahombre]

I would think the answers to be clearly divided between those who are big clubbers and those who are not. That would be their thinking, even though the conditions do not specify whether a red suit opening is limited.

[Phil]

I would reverse and feel good about it.

If partner created a GF, I would show the 5th heart, but if partner signed off in 3♦, I would not show the 5th heart.

[MrAce]

Phil, on 2012-June-13, 14:04, said:

I would reverse and feel good about it.

If partner created a GF, I would show the 5th heart, but if partner signed off in 3♦, I would not show the 5th heart.

I do not understand this. If you are going to hide your 5th ♥, then why did you open 1♦ and reversed ? Wasn't it the 6-5 shape what made you open 1♦ ?

-You showed a 5-4 when you held 6-5
-You showed a 17+ hand when you held 13

Wouldn't you want to be in game vs pd's 3 card ♥ support only and a little more when he holds 3-3 or perhaps 3-2 red suits ?

Qxxx
Hxx
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JTxx
Txx
Axx
Jxx

[JLOGIC]

If you show 6-5 then your partner will know you don't have to have a lot of HCP. That said, this hand is pretty marginal I wouldn't fault 1D 2D, or opening 1H, or 1D 2H. I would start with 1D since my diamonds are so good then probably go with 2H.

[bluecalm]

Some people play that:
1D - 1S
3H

1D - 1N
3H

1D - 2D
3H

is ~12-15 6-5.

I feel that normal reverse is risky with no experience/agreements I would prefer opening 1H to keep it simple in pick-up pd'ship.

[Phil]

MrAce, on 2012-June-13, 14:18, said:

I do not understand this. If you are going to hide your 5th ♥, then why did you open 1♦ and reversed ? Wasn't it the 6-5 shape what made you open 1♦ ?

-You showed a 5-4 when you held 6-5
-You showed a 17+ hand when you held 13

Wouldn't you want to be in game vs pd's 3 card ♥ support only and a little more when he holds 3-3 or perhaps 3-2 red suits ?

Qxxx
Hxx
xxx
xxx

JTxx
Txx
Axx
Jxx

When I bid ♦ - ♥ - ♦ over partner's signoff (assuming 2N), I am implying a 6-4. If I am 6-4, I can be worse than 17. So I'm not sure I follow when you say I am showing 17.

When I rebid hearts a 2nd time, its true that I am showing a 5-6, but I am also forcing the auction to the four level. Therefore, I choose to only pattern out when partner is a GF.

I won't be missing a 5-4 heart fit (that hand bids 2♥ over 1♦). Missing a 5-3 heart fit when partner can't GF over a reverse and we make 10 tricks seems like a small target.

[cherdano]

Clear reverse IMO.

[MrAce]

Phil, on 2012-June-13, 15:19, said:

When I bid ♦ - ♥ - ♦ over partner's signoff (assuming 2N), I am implying a 6-4. If I am 6-4, I can be worse than 17. So I'm not sure I follow when you say I am showing 17.

When I rebid hearts a 2nd time, its true that I am showing a 5-6, but I am also forcing the auction to the four level. Therefore, I choose to only pattern out when partner is a GF.

I won't be missing a 5-4 heart fit (that hand bids 2♥ over 1♦). Missing a 5-3 heart fit when partner can't GF over a reverse and we make 10 tricks seems like a small target.

You are not implying 6-4, your pd bids 2NT, you bid 3♣ and he bids 3♦, you pass. He has 3-3 red suits or even 3♥ + 2♦ you play 3♦. I dont understand why you think you show 6-4 ? All he knows is you have 5♦+4♥ and 17+ hcp and wants to settle in 3♦. What i dont get is why you think showing 6-4 is better than showing 5-5 ? Last time i checked majors play game 1 level below minors.

I am not even mentioning that your pd will jump to 3NT (since 2 NT is negative bid) with a lot of hands and misfit. With 9 ish hcp you are in 3 NT with 22 hcp and no fit.

I am not saying what you should open, but i assume what made you go out of your way and open 1♦ is your shape. And if you are scared to go 4 level and not express that shape then i dont see your gain at all. Why would someone do that in order to show 1 extra card in minor and show 1 less card in his major ?

If i open this 1♦ i am bidding hearts 2 times. If i am not willing to do that then i better open 1♥, at least i can easily raise to 4 if pd supports me.

JLOGIC, on 2012-June-13, 14:49, said:

If you show 6-5 then your partner will know you don't have to have a lot of HCP.

Thats what i think also, when we show the 5-6 pd knows we maybe stretching due to our shape, not our hcps. But as you said, Phil, i am taking the risk to go to 4♦ if needs to be. You have to compromise on something. I wouldn't compromise on my 5 card major suit to be honest.

EDIT: Score type is not mentioned but what i wrote was mainly for IMP.

[dboxley]

bluecalm, on 2012-June-13, 14:55, said:

Some people play that:
1D - 1S
3H

1D - 1N
3H

1D - 2D
3H

is ~12-15 6-5.

I feel that normal reverse is risky with no experience/agreements I would prefer opening 1H to keep it simple in pick-up pd'ship.

Yes, that would be ideal but if you notice in my post, we didn't have that understanding so that is why it was a problem.

[han]

With one partner I play that 1C - 1S - 3H shows a minimal 5-6. The reason is that we use the auctions 1C - 1H - 3D and 1D - 1S - 3H as good raises to 3M, after 1C - 1S we use 3D for that so 3H is available for the minimal 5-6.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

bluecalm, on 2012-June-13, 14:55, said:

Some people play that:
1D - 1S
3H

1D - 1N
3H

1D - 2D
3H

is ~12-15 6-5.

I feel that normal reverse is risky with no experience/agreements I would prefer opening 1H to keep it simple in pick-up pd'ship.

Can you say.... " splinter " ?

I agree with your last statement about keeping it simple with 1H open .

[dake50]

I like this Diamond suit unknown to opponents
after 1H opener with some H-raise.
Yes, it's not patterning out well if partner
is slammy. But that's rare.