When I said 100%, I just meant I knew I would do it 100% of the time. I agree with you that partner can definitely have a doubleton club and that even includes other shapes as well, like some (54)22 hands (although maybe not so likely they have 9 diamonds after P P 3C). That was the main part I disagreed with other game bidders about.
partner reopens 3 clubs
#21
Posted 2012-June-14, 16:18
"What's the big rebid problem? After 1♦ - 1♠, I can rebid 1NT, 2♠, or 2♦."
- billw55
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#22
Posted 2012-June-15, 01:09
gnasher, on 2012-June-14, 15:48, said:
East is allowed to delay it long enough to make a normal pause, but not to slow it down so much as to make it seem out of tempo. If he does do that, you're entitled to redress under Law 73;
"players should be particularly careful when variations [in tempo] may work to the benefit of their side"
"A player may not attempt to mislead an opponent by ... the haste or hesitancy of a call or play"
"if the Director determines that an innocent player has drawn a false inference from a remark, manner, tempo, or the like, of an opponent who has no demonstrable bridge reason for the action, and who could have known, at the time of the action, that the action could work to his benefit, the Director shall award an adjusted score"
Look at appeal 22 here:
http://www.bridgefed...bc_appeals.html
That was exactly the scenario you're talking about.
"players should be particularly careful when variations [in tempo] may work to the benefit of their side"
"A player may not attempt to mislead an opponent by ... the haste or hesitancy of a call or play"
"if the Director determines that an innocent player has drawn a false inference from a remark, manner, tempo, or the like, of an opponent who has no demonstrable bridge reason for the action, and who could have known, at the time of the action, that the action could work to his benefit, the Director shall award an adjusted score"
Look at appeal 22 here:
http://www.bridgefed...bc_appeals.html
That was exactly the scenario you're talking about.
This all comex because on round 1, my opponents bid after my partner opened 1♥
double-2♦
2♠-3♣
4♣-4♠
2♠ was slow, but 4♣ took like 90 seconds to come, my screenmate bid 4♠ in a flash and I though ***** you, I am not letting you this. I counted up to 25 wich perhaps is a little too much given that he might have though of his bid while his partner tank forever, but not sure what a correct tempo would be. Sure enough the other player tanked again for long and bid 5♣.
In the end 4♠ is way better than 5♣ but anyway my partner didn't find the defence, so it didn't matter
#23
Posted 2012-June-15, 02:15
Th WBF Laws Commission has had this to say on the subject:
Laws Committee, 1998:
"The Committee noted an aspect of the WBF regulations applying when screens are in use. This states that it is acceptable for a player to delay the return of the tray for the purpose of restoring the tempo of the transfer of the tray to 'normal'. It was held this means the normal tempo of play generally and not the tempo of play at that particular table nor the (slow) tempo of a prior movement of the tray on the hand in question."
WBF Code of Practice for Appeals Committees (last updated 2010):
"The WBF considers it desirable that players should vary the tempo randomly when returning the tray under the screen... It is considered there can be no implications if a tray returns after 15 seconds or less. This period may be extended in the later stages of a complicated or competitive auction without necessarily creating implications."
If the second one applies in EBL events (I'm not sure if it does), then 25 seconds seems OK for this auction.
Laws Committee, 1998:
"The Committee noted an aspect of the WBF regulations applying when screens are in use. This states that it is acceptable for a player to delay the return of the tray for the purpose of restoring the tempo of the transfer of the tray to 'normal'. It was held this means the normal tempo of play generally and not the tempo of play at that particular table nor the (slow) tempo of a prior movement of the tray on the hand in question."
WBF Code of Practice for Appeals Committees (last updated 2010):
"The WBF considers it desirable that players should vary the tempo randomly when returning the tray under the screen... It is considered there can be no implications if a tray returns after 15 seconds or less. This period may be extended in the later stages of a complicated or competitive auction without necessarily creating implications."
If the second one applies in EBL events (I'm not sure if it does), then 25 seconds seems OK for this auction.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn

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