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Blame It On the Rain

Poll: Blame It On the Rain (23 member(s) have cast votes)

Which call was most to blame for the result?

  1. 3S (2 votes [8.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

  2. 4S (10 votes [43.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.48%

  3. 5C (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  4. 5D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 5S (4 votes [17.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.39%

  6. 6S (6 votes [26.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.09%

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#21 User is offline   JLOGIC 

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Posted 2012-June-09, 23:13

4C would be a strong spade raise
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Posted 2012-June-09, 23:15

He's suggesting east do it.
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Posted 2012-June-09, 23:16

? I dont think 4c shows a strong spade raise over 3h I thought it shows d
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Posted 2012-June-10, 01:31

View Postmike777, on 2012-June-09, 22:54, said:

fwiw as a nonexpert I would just bid 4c not 3s. Afraid the auction will get too complicated to get back to d's.


I can understand if true experts think getting back into d at the best level is not an issue.

In the OP the problem was that the players were too focussed on spades. This went wrong when West had only 2 spades. A little unlucky.

Your view is the other extreme: forget about spades alltogether and raise diamonds. But that would go wrong if West had a 4432 hand. Also a little unlucky.

Sometimes, particularly after opponents preempt, you have to accept the risk of being a little unlucky. But in this case it is not hard to avoid being unlucky: Just bid 3♠ first and then 6♦, even if partner "raises" spades. If the opponents let you have the bidding room (as here), you can (and should) keycard first, but if they don't just bid 6♦.

The point is not that it is difficult or complicated to show spades first and then diamonds. What is difficult is for East to realize that 4♠ doesn't show three card support. I think that after 4♠ East never thought there could be a problem with the spades (as clee points out, East has the three top honors in spades!). That is an enormous trap on this hand.

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Posted 2012-June-10, 01:35

agree think that everyone knows that

I take the risk prd does not hve 3d......

you state it is easy to show spades and d....ok.........i think i covered that


see forum comments....you make it too easy......
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Posted 2012-June-10, 02:49

BTW gnasher advocated at some point that these cues by opener be COG bids (primarily - you would still bid it with a strong raise) instead because it is more important to look for a strain than just concentrate on slam. Did you convince any of your partners, gnasher, to try them?
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Posted 2012-June-10, 03:03

View Postgwnn, on 2012-June-10, 02:49, said:

BTW gnasher advocated at some point that these cues by opener be COG bids (primarily - you would still bid it with a strong raise) instead because it is more important to look for a strain than just concentrate on slam. Did you convince any of your partners, gnasher, to try them?

No. Everyone thinks I'm barking.

Anyway, I wouldn't necessarily want to play that in this sequence, where both hands are unlimited, so there's more value in being able to show a slam try.
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Posted 2012-June-11, 03:58

Trinidad suggested that American players tend to bid 3S with a strong 5332 while Dutch (no, European even) players would double. I know that I usually don't discuss bridge with the same crowd as he does, but I really don't recognize this. I also don't see how his style is playable.

By the way, good hand for playing transfers after 1D - 3C.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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