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#1 User is offline   brob26 

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Posted 2012-May-30, 08:35


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Posted 2012-May-30, 09:10

Hi welcome to the forums and thanks for formatting the hand nicely. I would mentioned the format (teams, pairs, etc..), although I think teams / IMPs is the default.

FWIW I would open this 2♠. Not sure where the auction leads after that, although its quite possible partner would have the 6 level decision instead of me. I also would have liked to have some sort of tool to show partner a raise to 4♠ with extras, and I use 3N for that.

On the actual hand, RHO sounds like some sort of extreme minor two-suiter as a passed hand: void, x, QJxxxx, AJxxxx - although this wouldn't be the case with some people that bid their heads off with 6-5's or 5-5's. LHO sounds like x, AQxxx, Axxxx, xx. On this layout, pard is left with KQJxxx, Kxxxx, void, Kx. 6♠ is only 300 here, and 6♦ is on a diamond guess (curious how you would root for your opponents to be on an 11 card fit instead of a 10 card fit). Move some cards around, and you can make 6♦ cold, or it can be hopeless.

A lot of people would not make a negative double with a 6-6, but what else makes sense?

With some other combinations I tried, not surprisingly the colder 6♦ became, 6♠ was 500 a lot. When 6♦ was hopeless, 6♠ was generally very cheap.

Sacrificing did not look right when I looked at this initially, but I think I've talked myself into 6♠.
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Posted 2012-May-30, 09:16

I would pass. It's not like the opponents are bidding this with great confidence and we have various chances to make 2 defensive tricks.

I will lead the ace of spades. I expect declarer to ruff it, but it still looks safest. Besides, maybe two forced spade ruffs will make it harder for declarer to set up the hearts.
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Posted 2012-May-30, 10:49

we have a monstrous spade fit (when p overcalls
1s) rho x the opps also have a monstrous fit but
they have not identified that yet. We have little
defense in a deck that looks split. Don't bid a
mere 2h bid a robust 4s. Just maybe that will buy
the contract at worst it will make it a lot tougher
for the opps to find their monstrous fit and
proper playing level.

That aside---pass I am unhappy I am not on lead
(where i will start with a low club) but p did jump
to 4s which can be done on such a wide variely of
hands bidding 6s becomes an exercise is guesswork
rather than % bidding. Note that pass here is not
FP since both sides have already shown they are happy
with playing at the 5 level.
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Posted 2012-May-30, 13:30

I'd have opened 1♠ and opps diamonds might never have seen the light of day.

Bidding 4♠ rather than 2♥ might also have been tactically better.

Now I'm on a complete guess, I probably pass it round to partner, I've given a reasonable idea of what I hold by my bidding so far if it's not in style to open this.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 02:26

View PostPhil, on 2012-May-30, 09:10, said:

I also would have liked to have some sort of tool to show partner a raise to 4♠ with extras, and I use 3N for that.

Didn't our 2♥ (UCB?) followed by 5♠ show that?

I pass now, which I think is forcing. I'd probably like to defend 6♦X, but I think partner will be better placed to make the final decision, as I suspect ♠A is useless in defence. You might have better agreements for this situation...
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Posted 2012-May-31, 09:17

Agree with pass and leave it to partner. We have no shape so it could well be right to defend here.

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Posted 2012-May-31, 09:43

View PostStatto, on 2012-May-31, 02:26, said:

Didn't our 2♥ (UCB?) followed by 5♠ show that?


It does of course, but if we made that call, presumably we'd either have more information about partner's hand, other than he "wants to play 4♠", or as I said, he'd be making the final decision.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 09:44

View Postahydra, on 2012-May-31, 09:17, said:

Agree with pass and leave it to partner.

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Unless partner has seven spades (maybe we should rethink that ♠A lead?), I seriously doubt partner is doing anything but passing or doubling 6♦.
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Posted 2012-June-07, 19:30

I would have bid 4♠ instead of 2♥, then passed if the opponents bid at the five level. Let the opponents have the last guess, not you.
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Posted 2012-June-07, 19:46

pass

fwiw prefer to open 1s.

dont think there should be a hand you can pass rather than open 1 or 2.
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Posted 2012-June-08, 03:49

View PostPhil, on 2012-May-31, 09:44, said:

Unless partner has seven spades (maybe we should rethink that ♠A lead?), I seriously doubt partner is doing anything but passing or doubling 6♦.

Partner is on lead, so that decision is out of our hands.

However, it's almost inconceivable that partner has seven spades. He's non-vulnerable and facing a passed partner. What hand with ♠KQJxxxx overcalls only 1♠?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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