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Would you make a move? Something extrange is going on...

Poll: What´s your bid? (17 member(s) have cast votes)

What´s your bid?

  1. Pass (7 votes [41.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.18%

  2. Double (3 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

  3. 4 Hearts (6 votes [35.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.29%

  4. Other (1 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2004-November-13, 08:20

Scoring: MP

N - E - S - W
ps -ps -ps -1NT
2♦*-3NT-??


2♦= ♥ 1 suiter.
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Posted 2004-November-13, 09:35

Sorry, misread the question.

The hearts block. You'd be better off with AKx.

Doesn't matter- I would never X. Dummy's likely bid 3NT with a long minor he's hoping to run. Doubling gives a possibility of them shifting to 5m which will likely make.
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Posted 2004-November-13, 11:05

I would ask the opponents if 3N shows or denies a heart stopper for starters. Seems like a normal Lebensohl 3N where 3N denies a stop. Yes I know that the auction is a little different given that 2♦ shows hearts; but it should be a natural auction. If 3N denies a stop, I quietly pass and let them find their fit at the 4 level.

If it is supposed to show a stop, I'm doubling. If RHO runs after LHO says it shows a stop, I call the cops. I think pard has an entry or two, even if they have their expected combined 25-26, so they are not running 9 tricks here.

No reason to think 3N is 'gambling' here.
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Posted 2004-November-13, 11:44

If dbl is a 'lead-ur-suit'dbl, then I will put it on.
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Posted 2004-November-13, 12:17

4♥
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Posted 2004-November-13, 13:27

Double, telling partner to lead ♥, whether they run or not.
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Posted 2004-November-13, 14:16

4♠ :lol:
My guess is partner has 6 card spade suit and short heart.
Just kidding i wouldnt dare to bid 4S just pass and hope for best.
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Posted 2004-November-13, 15:09

More important than what opps play, is who is pard :lol: Some pards I'd double, others I'd bid 4H, others I'd pass... on spot!
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Posted 2004-November-13, 16:02

I hate to say thjese, but your partner on this board is myself.
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Posted 2004-November-13, 16:21

Well, I think I abstain then :lol:
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Posted 2004-November-13, 17:00

4H. It would not surprise me if both contracts make.
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Posted 2004-November-13, 19:02

Fluffy, on Nov 14 2004, 12:02 AM, said:

I hate to say thjese, but your partner on this board is myself.

if that case i might not bid 4♥... much rather find some way to make you declarer :)
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Posted 2004-November-14, 08:39

Fluffy, on Nov 13 2004, 03:20 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

N - E - S - W
ps -ps -ps -1NT
2♦*-3NT-??


2♦= ♥ 1 suiter.

I can clearly see what the problem is: you have only 12 cards. My move is to call the TD, and get 60% if one of my opps has 14 cards ;)
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Posted 2004-November-14, 10:09

Free, on Nov 14 2004, 09:39 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Nov 13 2004, 03:20 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

N - E - S - W
ps -ps -ps -1NT
2♦*-3NT-??


2♦= ♥ 1 suiter.

I can clearly see what the problem is: you have only 12 cards. My move is to call the TD, and get 60% if one of my opps has 14 cards :D

Lol you are always the one to find this, i think it got something to do with the phtographics abilities we talked about at other thread.
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Posted 2004-November-14, 15:23

ooooops
I overlooked the ♣7 :-(

These was the full hand:

Scoring: MP


Not only the 4♥ was getting a top with -500, but also doinganything else was leading to a bottom, everyone made -630 after ♥ lead, but your clever partner didn´t feel any need on leading such worthless suit if you passed and led wich at start looked promising ♠9 for -660.
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Posted 2004-November-14, 21:05

Fluffy, on Nov 14 2004, 04:23 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

OK, now one of you experts explain to me why they can't make 5 diamonds.
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Posted 2004-November-14, 21:42

jtfanclub, on Nov 14 2004, 07:05 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Nov 14 2004, 04:23 PM, said:

Dealer: North
Vul: E/W
Scoring: MP
♠ 98x
♥ J10xxxx
♦ Jx
♣ xx
♠ AKx
♥ xx
♦ AQxxx
♣ KJx
♠ Jxxx
♥ xx
♦ Kxx
♣ AQxx
♠ Q10x
♥ AKQ
♦ xxx
♣ 10xxx
 

OK, now one of you experts explain to me why they can't make 5 diamonds.

....or 4N, 5♣ and 4♠
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Posted 2004-November-14, 21:57

With all due respect Fluffy, if you bid 2H on rubbish like that your partner will fond it difficult to ever trust your bids again.
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Posted 2004-November-15, 07:01

I know Ron, I know :lol:, but passed hand at this vulnerability I felt like it...., when I get these feelings I´ve learnt to make them as quickly as possible, so opponents will trust me.
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Posted 2004-November-15, 10:00

Opps don't know hearts are blocked, so you ask if 3NT shows or denies a stopper.

If he says 'denies a stopper' you double. They will probably play 4♦ (-150) or 5♦ (-600) which is a top.

If he says 'shows a stopper' you bid 4♥. You will have been misinformed though, dunno what the consequence will be but can not be worse for us than the actual score.
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