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#1 User is offline   brob26 

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Posted 2012-May-30, 08:35


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Posted 2012-May-30, 09:10

Hi welcome to the forums and thanks for formatting the hand nicely. I would mentioned the format (teams, pairs, etc..), although I think teams / IMPs is the default.

FWIW I would open this 2. Not sure where the auction leads after that, although its quite possible partner would have the 6 level decision instead of me. I also would have liked to have some sort of tool to show partner a raise to 4 with extras, and I use 3N for that.

On the actual hand, RHO sounds like some sort of extreme minor two-suiter as a passed hand: void, x, QJxxxx, AJxxxx - although this wouldn't be the case with some people that bid their heads off with 6-5's or 5-5's. LHO sounds like x, AQxxx, Axxxx, xx. On this layout, pard is left with KQJxxx, Kxxxx, void, Kx. 6 is only 300 here, and 6 is on a diamond guess (curious how you would root for your opponents to be on an 11 card fit instead of a 10 card fit). Move some cards around, and you can make 6 cold, or it can be hopeless.

A lot of people would not make a negative double with a 6-6, but what else makes sense?

With some other combinations I tried, not surprisingly the colder 6 became, 6 was 500 a lot. When 6 was hopeless, 6 was generally very cheap.

Sacrificing did not look right when I looked at this initially, but I think I've talked myself into 6.
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Posted 2012-May-30, 09:16

I would pass. It's not like the opponents are bidding this with great confidence and we have various chances to make 2 defensive tricks.

I will lead the ace of spades. I expect declarer to ruff it, but it still looks safest. Besides, maybe two forced spade ruffs will make it harder for declarer to set up the hearts.
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Posted 2012-May-30, 10:49

we have a monstrous spade fit (when p overcalls
1s) rho x the opps also have a monstrous fit but
they have not identified that yet. We have little
defense in a deck that looks split. Don't bid a
mere 2h bid a robust 4s. Just maybe that will buy
the contract at worst it will make it a lot tougher
for the opps to find their monstrous fit and
proper playing level.

That aside---pass I am unhappy I am not on lead
(where i will start with a low club) but p did jump
to 4s which can be done on such a wide variely of
hands bidding 6s becomes an exercise is guesswork
rather than % bidding. Note that pass here is not
FP since both sides have already shown they are happy
with playing at the 5 level.
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Posted 2012-May-30, 13:30

I'd have opened 1 and opps diamonds might never have seen the light of day.

Bidding 4 rather than 2 might also have been tactically better.

Now I'm on a complete guess, I probably pass it round to partner, I've given a reasonable idea of what I hold by my bidding so far if it's not in style to open this.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 02:26

View PostPhil, on 2012-May-30, 09:10, said:

I also would have liked to have some sort of tool to show partner a raise to 4 with extras, and I use 3N for that.

Didn't our 2 (UCB?) followed by 5 show that?

I pass now, which I think is forcing. I'd probably like to defend 6X, but I think partner will be better placed to make the final decision, as I suspect A is useless in defence. You might have better agreements for this situation...
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Posted 2012-May-31, 09:17

Agree with pass and leave it to partner. We have no shape so it could well be right to defend here.

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Posted 2012-May-31, 09:43

View PostStatto, on 2012-May-31, 02:26, said:

Didn't our 2 (UCB?) followed by 5 show that?


It does of course, but if we made that call, presumably we'd either have more information about partner's hand, other than he "wants to play 4", or as I said, he'd be making the final decision.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 09:44

View Postahydra, on 2012-May-31, 09:17, said:

Agree with pass and leave it to partner.

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Unless partner has seven spades (maybe we should rethink that A lead?), I seriously doubt partner is doing anything but passing or doubling 6.
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Posted 2012-June-07, 19:30

I would have bid 4 instead of 2, then passed if the opponents bid at the five level. Let the opponents have the last guess, not you.
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Posted 2012-June-07, 19:46

pass

fwiw prefer to open 1s.

dont think there should be a hand you can pass rather than open 1 or 2.
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Posted 2012-June-08, 03:49

View PostPhil, on 2012-May-31, 09:44, said:

Unless partner has seven spades (maybe we should rethink that A lead?), I seriously doubt partner is doing anything but passing or doubling 6.

Partner is on lead, so that decision is out of our hands.

However, it's almost inconceivable that partner has seven spades. He's non-vulnerable and facing a passed partner. What hand with KQJxxxx overcalls only 1?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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