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Play 6Dx play CA?

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Posted 2012-May-22, 14:05


LHO leads ♠K. Opps are Computer programs and play udca; most of the time very honest.
♠K ♦4 ♠5 ♠3
You cross to ♣K and successfully finesse ♥Q.
♣3 ♣T ♣K ♣4
♥4 ♥8 ♥Q ♥6
♥A ♥7 ♣5 ♥2
When should you cash ♣A?
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Posted 2012-May-23, 19:09

View Postkgr, on 2012-May-22, 14:05, said:

When should you cash ♣A?

Having embarked on this line, we are presumably hoping to bring the contract home on a cross-ruff. I would not cash ♣A until it was clear that I won't need the ♣ finesse if I need to change tack. However, I would have started by ruffing more ♠ earlier.
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Posted 2012-May-23, 23:46

kgr writes "LHO leads ♠K. Opps are Computer programs and play udca; most of the time very honest.
♠K ♦4 ♠5 ♠3
♣3 ♣T ♣K ♣4
♥4 ♥8 ♥Q ♥6
♥A ♥7 ♣5 ♥2"

IMO you should continue: ruff a ♥, ♣ to ♣A (hoping that both follow), ruff a ♥ (hoping for a 4-3 break), lead a ♣ to ♣J Now...
- If defenders return a trump, then draw trump (hoping that they break), ending in dummy, which is all winners..
- If defenders return anything else, then you claim on a high cross-ruff.
If all this works then congratulate partner on his bidding :) :) :)

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Posted 2012-May-24, 14:13

View PostStatto, on 2012-May-23, 19:09, said:

Having embarked on this line, we are presumably hoping to bring the contract home on a cross-ruff. I would not cash ♣A until it was clear that I won't need the ♣ finesse if I need to change tack.
East has the ♣Q, You will not need the ♣-finesse

View PostStatto, on 2012-May-23, 19:09, said:

However, I would have started by ruffing more ♠ earlier.
You come to your hand with ♣K and ruff a ♠. You can only come back to your hand with a ♥-ruff and not be able to finesse the ♥.
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Posted 2012-May-24, 14:20

View Postnige1, on 2012-May-23, 23:46, said:

kgr writes "LHO leads ♠K. Opps are Computer programs and play udca; most of the time very honest.
♠K ♦4 ♠5 ♠3
♣3 ♣T ♣K ♣4
♥4 ♥8 ♥Q ♥6
♥A ♥7 ♣5 ♥2"

IMO you should continue: ruff a ♥, ♣ to ♣A (hoping that both follow), ruff a ♥ (hoping for a 4-3 break), lead a ♣ to [CL}J Now...
- If defenders return a trump, then draw trump (hoping that they break), ending in dummy, which is all winners..
- If defenders return anything else, then you claim on a high cross-ruff.
If all this works then congratulate partner on his bidding :) :) :)

East started with ♥6 and then ♥7 (showing an even number - udca). West started with ♥8 and then ♥2 (showing an odd number - udca).
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Posted 2012-May-24, 20:49

View Postkgr, on 2012-May-24, 14:20, said:

East started with ♥6 and then ♥7 (showing an even number - udca). West started with ♥8 and then ♥2 (showing an odd number - udca).
OK. If LHO has five ♠ and five ♥, I think you need him to hold singleton or doubleton ♣Q, too. I think I'd still try ♠ ruff, ♣A, finesse ♥Q. cash ♥A. and continue with a third ♥.
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Posted 2012-May-24, 20:51

duplicate, sorry
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Posted 2012-May-25, 01:53

View Postnige1, on 2012-May-24, 20:49, said:

OK. If LHO has five ♠ and five ♥, I think you need him to hold singleton or doubleton ♣Q, too. I think I'd still try ♠ ruff, ♣A, finesse ♥Q. cash ♥A. and continue with a third ♥.

Lho had small doubleton club
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Posted 2012-May-25, 14:37

View Postkgr, on 2012-May-25, 01:53, said:

Lho had small doubleton club
If you believe defenders' signals then cashing both top ♣ early is a good idea and gives the defence a chance to go wrong :)
Unfortunately, however, a double-dummy program reveals that:
if LHO's shape is 5503 (or 5512 without ♣Q) then RHO can defeat you, by ruffing ♥ leads from dummy with middle ♦s :(
That is a hard defence to find, at the table, :)
But a cunning robot should be up for it :(
If declarer held ♦KQ86 then even a robot would succumb :)
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Posted 2012-May-26, 02:12

Thanks a lot for your interest!

View Postnige1, on 2012-May-25, 14:37, said:

If you believe defenders' signals then cashing both top ♣ early is a good idea and gives the defence a chance to go wrong :)
Unfortunately, however, a double-dummy program reveals that:
if LHO's shape is 5503 (or 5512 without ♣Q) then RHO can defeat you, by ruffing ♥ leads from dummy with middle ♦s :(
That is a hard defence to find, at the table, :)
But a cunning robot should be up for it :(
If declarer held ♦KQ86 then even a robot would succumb :)
LHO is 5512 without ♣Q and the robot will ruff ♥ leads from dummy with middle ♦s if you cash both top ♣ early. (That is what I did).
But still you can win if you don't play the ♣A too soon.
If you start ruffing ♥ (RHO has to ruff with middle cards or you cash ♣A and cross ruff) and ♠. I come down to:

Now you play to ♣A, ruff a ♥ and a ♣for RHO's Q.
I wondered if I should have found this. Cashing the ♣A early was certainly not good. I did that on the general principle to cash winners before starting a cross-ruff. I hoped to make my ♦3 as well. I still don't fully understand it :)
I wonder how easy this looks and how complex it is in reality :)
EDIT: If anyone could explain me how to reason to find the correct line at the table then that would make me happy :)
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Posted 2012-May-26, 03:49


KGR writes "Thanks a lot for your interest!
Now you play to ♣A, ruff a ♥ and a ♣for RHO's Q.
I wondered if I should have found this. Cashing the ♣A early was certainly not good. I did that on the general principle to cash winners before starting a cross-ruff. I hoped to make my ♦3 as well. I still don't fully understand it :)
I wonder how easy this looks and how complex it is in reality :)
If anyone could explain me how to reason to find the correct line at the table then that would make me happy :)


My pleasure. Thank you, KGR, for a fascinating problem and your accurate analysis
I went wrong when I swopped ♦Q and ♦A, to simplify the problem for the double-dummy program :(
Without computer help I suggested the first (unsuccessful) line,
So I would never find the winning line, at the table :(

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